Willie Lowman
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A Great Argument for Guns
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Catfishman
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You're welcome.
I'm very serious. Protection from the government is the main reason the Founding Fathers specifically gave us the right to bear arms. And it's the most important.
The world would never have had a Hitler or Mao if their populations had been armed. Massive armies and police forces wouldn't have had to have been defeated. Just one round into a monster.
I never said that leaders considered what was right. Obviously they consider what's best for them. And that changes with an armed population.
Art Eatman
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Catfishman, the issue is that of the will. Note that the USSR collapsed from an absence of will, not from the demands of an armed populace. We do not know whether or not the Jews of Germany would have had the will to use firearms on Krystallnacht.
But Marko was pointing out the interrelationships among individuals, I think, more than the relationship between the populace and the government.
If you want my money, you must somehow persuade me with a sales pitch, or try to use force. A gun enables my resistance to your force.
Civilization is about buying and selling, not mugging.
But Marko was pointing out the interrelationships among individuals, I think, more than the relationship between the populace and the government.
If you want my money, you must somehow persuade me with a sales pitch, or try to use force. A gun enables my resistance to your force.
Civilization is about buying and selling, not mugging.
Catfishman
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I don't really see how we got on "will" and "mugging". But I'll play.
The world should always be about buying and selling. But, sometimes individuals try mug or take something by force. Sometimes leaders do the same thing. Guns are good for deterring both. And in extreme situations stopping the mugging in progress.
Departed402
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I've had this thread favorited since it began. I'm sure it's against forum rules, but I have to give this one a bump to the top. It's truly profound.
aarondhgraham said:
True True, I think people live in a sheltered reality having never been in or around crime. It's only what they see on the 10'oclock news and that's it. Out of sight and out of mind. They have this ideal that if something happens, they can call 911 and police will be there to save them.
Reality is that some police forces are not that big, and where i grew up in south east PA we didn't have a police force. Only 2 state troopers that were on patrol, and if they needed to lock someone up they had to drive an hour away to book and put them in jail. That means, even at full speed if they get a call while at the police station, it could take 30 or so minutes to get to you even with lights and sirens. You're pretty much a victim and the criminal is long gone. 90% of the time, police respond to victims, they don't show up there to stop a crime in progress.
People need to understand that once you take away guns, the only thing you can do is learn how to be a better victim. Give them what they want, and don't make them mad. Girls should dress in really baggy clothing and look haggerty at night.
Bamashooter
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Well whoever wrote it was spot on. I have had a concealed carry permit for 23yrs. and so far have not ever needed my gun but there is no way I would stop carrying. Ive been married for 19yrs and when I was dating my future wife I remember mentioning my gun and lo and behold she showed me hers. She has had a permit to carry as long as I have. I kinda knew then I was marrying that girl.
Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it - besides, I'm really personally fond of my Colts Series 70 Government Models - one original made in 1970 and the other "second generation" made since 2002 - low serial number - only mods sights and thumb safeties.
Not fancy but accurate and reliable - and fun to shoot every week.
Not fancy but accurate and reliable - and fun to shoot every week.
Or be a bank or other financial business that controls your money and rips you off. 2008 saw the economy lose billions of dollars worth of value because of the manipulation of various markets. We're still paying the price and no one has been investigated let alone charged.
Oh and the Warsaw pact fell because the will of the people was stronger than the power of the oppressors. An armed populace doesn't seem to have much to do with a successful revolution.
Brian Pfleuger
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I'm going to close this for Art but point out in closing, just for one more record, that the article was in fact written not by the unknown retired Major but by TFL's own Marco Kloos and the original can be seen here.
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