A Good Dilemma: Sphinx SDP Compact or CZ P-01 with CGW Parts

Not sure if it is anyone's cup of tea but there is a Burnt Bronze Sphinx Compact on GB right now for $849. That is the lowest price I have ever seen on a alloy lower Sphinx. There are also a few in a finish they are calling "Wolf" which looks like a dull gray going for $899.

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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=489598709

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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=489779866
 
Not sure if it is anyone's cup of tea but there is a Burnt Bronze Sphinx Compact on GB right now for $849. That is the lowest price I have ever seen on a alloy lower Sphinx. There are also a few in a finish they are calling "Wolf" which looks like a dull gray going for $899.

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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=489598709

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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=489779866
The LGS that just moved near me is selling the Alphas for $843 cash, $866 card. His distributor had 11 of the Black Alphas in stock and 46 of the Burnt Bronze! Until he mentioned it I had never heard of it. Idk, I think I'd have to see it in person. In pictures it looks sort of strange.
 
Some people on another forum are saying that these are polymer lowers. They say you can tell by the pattern on the front grip strap.

Alloy ones have vertical lines like the Production and Duotone which makes sense considering the price point.
 
Some people on another forum are saying that these are polymer lowers. They say you can tell by the pattern on the front grip strap.

Alloy ones have vertical lines like the Production and Duotone which makes sense considering the price point.

That was the understanding of my dealer and I. Still nice to have options though. I'm encouraged by the effort both Sphinx and Kriss are making to push these pistols.
 
Typical appeal to authority. Just because your buddy is a certified instructor does not mean he knows anything about CZ's business model. It also does not mean he knows anything about custom pistols. What it does mean is that he took a NRA instructor course and passed a test at a B level.

My friend the "B-Level Instructor" retired after seeming 20+ years in the Marine Corps with 2 combat tours of duty in Vietnam, he earned Marine Corps' Distinguished Marksman Badge, the Distinguished Pistol Shot Badge, and the Inter-Division Pistol Competition Badge. He then served in the Phila Police Dept. until retirement. He competed successfully at Camp Perry as a member of a Marine Corps pistol shooting team and in Police Pistol Competitions as a member of the Phila Police Force. Successfully competed in various IDPA, IPSC, GSSF, and PPC leagues. Does not teach gunsmithing but has forgotten more about tactical shooting under combat conditions and competition shooting than the rest of us will understand! Loves teaching neophytes who want to learn about firearm safety and who don't think they know it all already from what they read in the Internet. Is a great personality with a sense of humor who "LHAO" when I told him about the internet gunsmithing prodigies!
 
Thank him for his service. He sounds like an incredible shooter. Being a good driver doesn't, however, make you a good mechanic nor a good attorney specializing in automotive negligence. He still remains neither a gunsmith nor a lawyer specializing in self defense cases.

Loves teaching neophytes who want to learn about firearm safety and who don't think they know it all already from what they read in the Internet. Is a great personality with a sense of humor who "LHAO" when I told him about the internet gunsmithing prodigies!

I'm glad you have someone who can confirm your preconceived notions. Apparently instead of taking any time to consider what was written to you in response you have chosen to ignore all of that. Considering the points of view of others is what makes a forum function and actually become productive for the members.
 
JDBerg said:
... Does not teach gunsmithing but has forgotten more about tactical shooting under combat conditions and competition shooting than the rest of us will understand!

You're right, we'll never understand how much he has forgotten... :) but nothing that he may know or has forgotten really addresses the consequences of modifying one's guns, or analogously, one's car, computer, car computer, or any other machine. Being a cop, a Marine, or a successful competitor doesn't really make him all that different than many participating here. As best I can tell, the credentials you cite, while impressive in some respects, still don't make your friend more EXPERT than others here when dealing with the topic of this discussion -- safely and effectively modifying and (hopefully) improving personal weapons, or the legal consequences of having done so.

As to related legal issues: we HAVE had a lot of discussions on the legal problems associated with gun modification when they are used in self-defense shootings, either on this forum or The High Road; Mas Ayoob* has participated in a number of the discussions. As I understand the gist of these discussion, two points seem to stand out:

1) if it's a "good shoot" (i.e., the person using lethal force was justified in doing so) he or she is unlikely to face criminal charges even if the gun was modified, but...

2) The "victim" of such a shooting, even if he or she serves jail time for the act(s) that prompted the "justified" shooting, can sometimes still file a civil suit against the shooter in some states. In some cases he or she might even win. Here in my state (NC) firearms laws protect the shooter from CIVIL suits if it was a "legal" shooting, regardless of gun modification or other incidental damage. In other states, the story might be different, and it's up to the individual to know what s/he faces in that respect. THAT is an argument YOU should be making -- as it's a valid point, but only if the gun in question is used in a "lethal force" shooting. If the gun is used only in competition or at the range, it's a non-issue.

Switching from one form of factory part to another from the same maker -- which is common among Glock users, seems to NOT be a legal or functional issue. Using a gunmaker-approved or importer-approved (or recommended) after-market part in a Sphinx seems to be little different. And as WVsig noted, the Sphinx pistols that prompted this discussion, after modification, are less "modified" in terms of ease of use and safety than some well-accepted factory-direct pistols in stock form.

A key point remains: you don't know how much others participating here know. The knowledge and skills you attribute to your expert friend can also be found in a good number of people participating on this forum, many of whom also disagree with your position and the position you attribute to your friend. Your friend is certainly welcome to speak for himself, here.

If he (or you) can do so, you (or he) should feel free to cite some legal cases or real-world events (and their consequences) that inform the positions you (and he may) have taken. Then your position might seem more valid. I suspect that if your friend does participate here, the gist of what he shares with us will come across with subtle but important differences. As you now present your case, it seems mostly based on emotion or fear than anything else.

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*Mas Ayoob is a recognized expert on the use of weapons in police and civilian shootings. He has single-handedly made himself a recognized expert; he has also spent years doing it, writing articles for major gun magazines, and teaching classes for effective self-defense and his views on the related legal issues. He also works as an auxiliary police officer.

Unhappily, there is no certification process for HIS sort of expertise, and there doesn't seem to be any others who even try to do what he does. So in his presentations and opinions, which often make very good sense, but it, sadly, only ONE point of view for THIS SIDE of the debate. Folks accept (or give serious attention to) his opinions because it's about all they can find. I wish there were more experts and some additional or different perspectives on THIS side of the topic.


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Well, somebody just got a heckuva deal; the auction I was watching just sold at $700. I couldn't bring myself to bid because of forthcoming expenses.

Are you talking about the used one on GB?
 
WVsig said:
If I did not already have one I would have bought it.

Yeah, and if I hadn't just bought a bunch of parts for my PCR, I'd have bid against you to the point where it stopped being such a bargain.

Like I said, that lucky jerk got a heck of a deal.
 
Walt Sherrill, in re-reading my post it implies I can afford all those things; not so.I do have the tonearm and cartridge, bought in 1971 at the Stereo Shop at Ramstein Air Base Germany where a friend was the manager. My Audi TT is 10 years old, bought used a year ago. I have lusted for Porsche since the late 1950's when a friend had a 356 model; in Amarillo, TX (a year later) a couple of brand new, top of the line 356's were priced at $3,995. Couldn't afford it.

To add my comment modifying your's: my taste and budget don't even know the other exists. Thanks for that thought.

I'm still looking for the best deal on a Sphinz Compact; have worn out the GB website. I've found any gun can be used as a target gun. I saw two guys shoot a KImber SOLO and score a bulleye on their first shot (a 1 inch bull) at 10 yards. They proceeded to empty the magazines with all shots within the 5 inch circle.
 
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rt11002003 said:
To add my comment modifying your's: my taste and budget don't even know the other exists. Thanks for that thought.

And we can't afford to get them talking. I understand -- and agree!

But at least YOU and I know that there are some FINER THINGS in life worth dreaming about.

I haven't had a good turntable in about 25 years -- and I've a big sealed bin full of fine vinyl classical albums by great orchestras, conductors and artists, most unplayed, whispering to me from a nearby closet.

(Our local main library got rid of their records some years back and I got bunches of first class classical albums and sets, some never opened, for $.50 each OR LESS!!)

I keep telling myself I'm going transfer them all to CDs or DVDs (digital) some day. Because I don't have any vacuum tube amps or the time or money to find one, I'll just have to use a turntable that interfaces with the computer. I've had to buy one of the analog-digital transfer programs. But I did that a few weeks ago. :eek:
 
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I keep telling myself I'm going transfer them all to CDs or DVDs (digital) some day. Because I don't have any vacuum tube amps or the time or money to find one, I'll just have to use a turntable that interfaces with the computer. I've had to buy one of the analog-digital transfer programs. But I did that a few weeks ago.

WOW Walt.

You are a lot more ambitious than I am. I simply bought a lot of CDs of my favorite music as prices went down quite a bit on Amazon and such in recent years. It really helped me with all the "best of" compliations out there. Sounds like a lot of your vinyl may not even be available on CD.

I still have my Ariston RD11S turtnable with Grace tonearm but rarely use it these days as I am just too lazy. I have most my CDs ripped to lossless WAV files and I can play them on my Marantz SA8005 either as CD or via USB stick and remote control. :D

Next up I will probably get a Sonus Connect network streaming device so I can play my music from my Kindle using the Sonus app. Getting old has never been so easy when it comes to enjoying good music.
 
sigarms228 said:
You are a lot more ambitious than I am. I simply bought a lot of CDs of my favorite music as prices went down quite a bit on Amazon and such in recent years. It really helped me with all the "best of" compliations out there. Sounds like a lot of your vinyl may not even be available on CD.

More ambitious -- or simply better at rationalizing why I procrastinate...

I've also accumulated a bunch of CDs over the years, and really like how they don't deteriorate with use... But many of the vinyl albums are out of print or were never available on CD. It takes a special "interest" or "taste" to even think about looking for them on the internet or in a used record shop.

I've seriously considered putting some of them on EBAY. (Included in the stash are a several OLD, never-opened Time-Life series music collections of great orchestras and great artists. The quality of the recordings from that series that I've had in the past are surprisingly good/impressive. Some of those would probably bring a premium.

But even THAT step (putting them on EBAY is almost as much trouble as transferring them. Then, too, I have a ugly attitude toward PayPal due to some gun-related issues in the past. PayPal sort of turned me off to EBAY.
 
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