A Glock and a Chevy Trock

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AUG:
How lame! Toyota trucks are girl trucks. They don't have enough power to pull a greasy string out of a cat's a$$. On top of that a grown man can't fit in one without a wench. The new Tundras are nice and have good power but they are still more like a compact than a full size. Why would I pay the same price for a Toyota as I would a Ford or Chevy? They are the same price yet you get a weaker drivetrain, a weaker frame, less cargo room, less passenger room, and inferior towing capacity. Maybe the the Tundra corrects some of these problems but then again maybe not. The only area I can think of where Toyota might win out over the American models is mileage but I need a truck that can do truck things and a 4 or 6 cyl. engine just does not make enough power for heavy use.[/quote]

The Toyota Tundra also is superior in reliability, quality, and the fit and finish are superior to ANY American truck (especially GM and Dodge). American trucks get more power due to bigger engines. If you need to haul a lot, buy a Ford (at least they got decent reliability of late). But the Silverado and Ram are having so many quality control problems that in the long haul the Toyota Tundra will be running like new while the Dodge or Chvy is in the repair garage for the "umpteenth" time...

I will take a "girl truck" anyday over a overpriced LEMON such as GM and Dodge products!

By the way, the Toyota Tundra has an option for the Lexus derived V8 engine. Very refined and smooth powertrain! ;)
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I have a buddy who works at a Toyota dealership and tells me all sorts of horror stories about some stuff that comes off of the assembly line. Like the Rav4 all-trac would eat up transmissions in under 500 miles. New Previa's with piles of metal in the tranny pans. I think it is that they are making too much here in the states and can't control quality like they could in Japan. Can't beat a 80's solid axle toyota pickup with a 22re motor. That's a wheeling machine. Same thing with BMW and Mercedes, I would never buy one of these unless it was assembled in Germany. No real pride being put into the product to care if it is put together right. Don't get me wrong, I buy lots of American made stuff, hell I drive a 77 F-250 with a 466ci. But something about these cars being made over here does not appeal to me.

markd
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by markd:
I have a buddy who works at a Toyota dealership and tells me all sorts of horror stories about some stuff that comes off of the assembly line. Like the Rav4 all-trac would eat up transmissions in under 500 miles. New Previa's with piles of metal in the tranny pans. I think it is that they are making too much here in the states and can't control quality like they could in Japan. Can't beat a 80's solid axle toyota pickup with a 22re motor. That's a wheeling machine. Same thing with BMW and Mercedes, I would never buy one of these unless it was assembled in Germany. No real pride being put into the product to care if it is put together right. Don't get me wrong, I buy lots of American made stuff, hell I drive a 77 F-250 with a 466ci. But something about these cars being made over here does not appeal to me.

markd [/quote]


Agreed! Given the choice, I would want a Japanese Toyota over an American Toyota. Its not easy to get the Japanese ones anymore though as the American plants are taking over in the states. Still, from what I have seen even a Toyota made in the states is better quality than GM or Chrysler products...

At least Lexus (a Toyota division) is still produced in Japan-- though they are priced so high most people can't afford them.
 
Sorry, RedCrosse

As a diehard F-150 Ford person, I must inject some good-natured humor here.

When Chevy says “The heartbeat of America” – Ford says The heartbeat stops here”

When Chevy says “Like a rock” – Ford says ”It drives like a rock too”

I drive a ’00 Lariat on the interstates alot (and I do mean drive) and I have yet to have a Chevy or Dodge product pass and/or stay ahead of me for any period of time. (Excepting Vettes and Vipers)

F-150 fans check this out.

Skyhawk

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Be sure to crank the new Back Street Boys CD you just bought while driving in your girlie truck.

When people make blanket statements about a certain vehicle being superior to all others he only shows his limited knowledge.


Maybe I don't like Toyota trucks because I am a American sized guy and need a American size truck. Now, if I was 5'7" a Toyota maybe OK.
 
The "girlie" Tundra will outlast any "manly" GMC/Chrysler based truck. Of course there is no reasoning with "macho" types--they think they are always right. There is no arguing this issue-- just read Consumer Reports if you don't believe me--I wish I had before wasting my money on GM cars & trucks. Every GM (cadilac and Chevy) product I have owned has been junk-- tons of expensive electrical and engine repairs before they hit 120k. One 1990 Caddy would stall constantly at stop signs even if warm-- do to a bad computer. Every Japanese vehicle I've owned (3 so far) has given me no MAJOR problems. I have over 250,000 miles on 2 of them. I gave GM a chance (I have had 4 GM products, everyone failed miserably before 120k miles). Now that I switched to Japanese vehicles, all three have had NO MAJOR troubles. Of course, little things happen once in a while like changing the battery, putting in freon, replacing the alternator etc but no MAJOR headaches like GM gave me. Do the math!

Regarding the Dodge Ram, I never owned one: but friends have and again many major troubles with the newer Dodge Rams. Even CR gave them poor reviews!

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Quantum,

My experiene is my experience, and in that I'll never buy another Toyota product. Sure, they used to make cars that would go forever. One of my buddies has 450,000 on his Tercel Station Wagon. Yet my two years old Corolla has been nothing but junk. Since day one it's made a braking noise that the dealer claims doesn't exist. The problem has only worsened. Toyota has done noting to rectify the problem. I've decied to consult an attorney. To me a company that makes a shoddy product and then won't admit to it won't get anymore of my money.

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"Get yourself a Lorcin and lose that nickel plated sissy pistol."
 
Well, I'll throw in my half cent and say:


"An HK and a Land Rover"

Doesn't have quite the same ring, but I've never really been good at slogans.
 
Aug - I'm 6'2" and 280 lbs. I wouldn't trade my '99 Land Cruiser for any other vehicle. I have always been a Ford fan, but this vehicle sold me on Toyota. The V-8 is comparable to the 289 in power (believe me, I know.. I had a '66 mustang for 10 yrs) and gets 19 plus mpg.
 
Had to jump in on this post. I have a 1970 Ford F-250 Custom Deluxe with a 410 Mercury bored out to 417. Easy 450 horsepower. Holley 4-barrel, Edelbrock intake, Hooker headers, etc. Sits in front of my house most of the time while I drive my 66 bug. Once gas prices went over $1.75 for premium, 8 mpg was too hard to swallow on a regular basis.

Two years ago here in Santa Barbara during Fiesta!, a little Toyota pulled up next to me at a light just outside of downtown. Three guys on the little bench seat. Anticipating the green light, they were revving the little four banger in a challenge. They sped off, and I let them get about 50 yards and jumped on the big Merc. The tires lit up and I was on and beyond the little rice burner in seconds.

Sometimes, only a V8 will do!
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tecolote:
Quantum,

My experiene is my experience, and in that I'll never buy another Toyota product. Sure, they used to make cars that would go forever. One of my buddies has 450,000 on his Tercel Station Wagon. Yet my two years old Corolla has been nothing but junk. Since day one it's made a braking noise that the dealer claims doesn't exist. The problem has only worsened. Toyota has done noting to rectify the problem. I've decied to consult an attorney. To me a company that makes a shoddy product and then won't admit to it won't get anymore of my money.

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I agree, there is something definently wrong/junky with your Corolla. I am willing to bet that your Toyota was made in the US? I totally agree that US made Toyotas are having more problems than imported Toyotas. Same holds true for Mercedes Benz, Honda,Nissan, and all other "imports" that also have factories in the US. The U.S. work ethic is lacking and it reflects on most American made products.

One other note: the Toyota Corolla is basically the same car as the Chevy Prism, just a few minor differences. Both models have had a good track record so far (its possible you just got a lemon).
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Noban:
Had to jump in on this post. I have a 1970 Ford F-250 Custom Deluxe with a 410 Mercury bored out to 417. Easy 450 horsepower. Holley 4-barrel, Edelbrock intake, Hooker headers, etc. Sits in front of my house most of the time while I drive my 66 bug. Once gas prices went over $1.75 for premium, 8 mpg was too hard to swallow on a regular basis.

Two years ago here in Santa Barbara during Fiesta!, a little Toyota pulled up next to me at a light just outside of downtown. Three guys on the little bench seat. Anticipating the green light, they were revving the little four banger in a challenge. They sped off, and I let them get about 50 yards and jumped on the big Merc. The tires lit up and I was on and beyond the little rice burner in seconds.

Sometimes, only a V8 will do! [/quote]

Agreed, V8 is the best. I also consider newer Ford trucks to be rather nice. But your comparing a full sized V8 truck to a V4 skateboard on steroids. To me the small Toyota trucks are useless. My argument is for the Tundra (V8 option, large size). Now that is a more fair comparision (V8 Tundra vs V8 competition). My main concern with the Tundra is thats it made in the US-- US made Toyotas report more problems than Japanese made Toyotas. Still, I suspect reliability should be at least average and probably good--since every other model made by Toyota has been good or better--and many of those were made in the US. Will there be lemons? Of course, even the best makers will make lemons. But, the chance of getting a lemon from Toyota/Honda/Nissan/Subaru is less than the chance of getting a lemon from CERTAIN other makers.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SlackO:
Aug - I'm 6'2" and 280 lbs. I wouldn't trade my '99 Land Cruiser for any other vehicle. I have always been a Ford fan, but this vehicle sold me on Toyota. The V-8 is comparable to the 289 in power (believe me, I know.. I had a '66 mustang for 10 yrs) and gets 19 plus mpg.[/quote]


Now that is a nice SUV. A little on the expensive side, but nice.

A less expensive alternative for those who can't shell out 45k would be a Ford Explore.


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Well, I have owned a Glock, and i have owned a Chevy truck. I still own the Glock. Unlike the chevy, the Glock will always work.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLV314:
Well, I have owned a Glock, and i have owned a Chevy truck. I still own the Glock. Unlike the chevy, the Glock will always work.

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LOL. Agreed. Can't go wrong with a Glock. ;)
 
Well Quantum, I just got to know what kind of JAPANEESE hand guns you shoot! I got a Nissaun. It's a Kimber!
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cplane:
Well Quantum, I just got to know what kind of JAPANEESE hand guns you shoot! I got a Nissaun. It's a Kimber![/quote]

I don't think the Japanese make good handguns? Never heard of a good brand by them? I'll stick to their electronics and cars, but my guns will continue to be German (Sig), Austrian (Glock), or possibly Kimber or Ruger (U.S.)
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SlackO:
Quantum - a 4-runner works pretty well too.[/quote]

Agreed, the V6 4-Runner is a very nice SUV. So is the Nissan Pathfinder and Ford Explore.
 
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