A 22 for fun and training wife/kids
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TheGageinator
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Out of your list, the S&W full size 22 is why i would recommend. After everyone gets used to that pistol, they can move straight to a full size 9 with the exact same ergos
Cheapshooter
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If I might mention this on the behalf of the OP. What I think he was trying to say is he wants a full slide 22 similar to a centerfire handgun. Therefore he is not interested in the Buckmark, Ruger Mk series, Neos, or any other of the short slide designs more common in 22 target pistols.
springer99
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Seems to me that the guns mentioned by the OP are really "look-alike" , inexpensive clones of their larger caliber brethren, and aren't particularly thought of as great 22LR pistols, in terms of accuracy and/or reliability. If he is really interested in getting someone interested in the shooting sports, then reliability, accuracy and easy of use is the most important factors here. Like it or not, the Ruger Mk series IS the gold standard for 22 autos, and it's tough to beat a S&W 63 or 617 as a revolver. Buckmarks are a close second.
A Ruger mkII or mkIII , or the browning buckmark. I prefer the feel of the buckmark but all three mentioned totally reliable, it's a question of personal preference.
I had been pining over a Ruger and my brother bought one, the hunter series a very beautiful gun, but I still prefer the buckmark feel.
I had been pining over a Ruger and my brother bought one, the hunter series a very beautiful gun, but I still prefer the buckmark feel.
Fullclip610
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My ruger sr22 has been practically flawless reliability wise after the first 25-50 rounds. It's a good looking pistol and the ease of use/cleaning is at the top of my list for semi "real" looking semis.
Northrider
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I'd also suggest the Browning Buckmark and the Sig Sauer 1911-22. Both are fine guns and won't break the bank. Bersa also has the Thunder in .22 that is perfect for smaller hands.
Shoot Safe and Often
Shoot Safe and Often
I fired a smith and wesson a year or so ago. It worked. Shot pretty accurately, felt pretty good, worked well, and I could keep groups tightly with it. This is not a precision item, wouldn't even touch it for bullseye work, but t fits and feels like a combat handgun and serves as a good companion.
LOL... these threads always remind me that I should read the OP before posting 
Thank you all for your input, I really do appreciate it! As cheapshooter and others have mentioned, I am currently looking for full slide centerfire look alikes. I have NOTHING against the fan favorite buckmark or Mark whatevers, but just NOT exactly what I am looking for at the moment!
Maybe I'll start a thread in semi-auto rifles with "NO AR15" and a shotgun forum that say "NO REMINGTONS" and maybe something in revolvers about "NO S&W" hahahhaha
Thank you all for your input, I really do appreciate it! As cheapshooter and others have mentioned, I am currently looking for full slide centerfire look alikes. I have NOTHING against the fan favorite buckmark or Mark whatevers, but just NOT exactly what I am looking for at the moment!
Maybe I'll start a thread in semi-auto rifles with "NO AR15" and a shotgun forum that say "NO REMINGTONS" and maybe something in revolvers about "NO S&W" hahahhaha
Cheapshooter
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I think your poll would have turned out different if the "other" choice had been "other full slide"
I'd pick a walther PPQ .22
It has a full slide, very closely mimics the 9mm model, is fairly accurate, and mine is not that ammo picky. Mine hates bulk pack winchester (They stick in the chamber and leave a tiny chunk of lead in the barrel/chamber, and won't extract without a cleaning rod or wooden skewer.), but anything else flies. Mine is not that accurate with CCI, but remington, aquila, and SK shoot well. Federal is ok, not great.
No mag safety. No grip safety. No mechanical safety lever. Slide is aluminum, not some zinc alloy (So it's a touch heavier.) The trigger is very good, at 4-5 pounds, and has a very short reset. It has a 1:10 twist for some reason. That may contribute to ammo sensitivity. Don't know. Magazines hold 12 rounds. One of the things that isn't in the specs is how amazing the PPQ feels in the hand. The ergonomics and trigger are as good as it gets without going to a target pistol.
Limited to the options already up there, I'd say the M&P .22 from S&W. The full size model is imported (Made by Walther for S&W.) The slide is made from zinc alloy. As a result of the lighter slide it may be more reliable with standard velocity ammo. I don't know the twist rate of the barrel.
Depending on the model it may/may not have a mag safety (Every one I've seen has the mag safety but there is supposed to be a model without) and will have a safety lever on the frame , but it's the best of the bunch, IMO. Trigger is not horrible, at around 6-7 pounds. Magazines hold 10 or 12, depending on the model.
The S&W M&P .22 compact is a different animal entirely, made in the US by S&W, and is scaled down to 87.5% of normal size (Except for the rail).
The slide is made of aluminum (Not zinc alloy), and kinda reminds me of a walther. The lighter slide should be reliable, due to the smaller size. Trigger is 7-8 pounds, and has a more standard 1:15 twist. I think it would be less ammo sensitive than the above models. Some compact model owners say the barrel rifling is spotty on some examples, and as a result, accuracy might not be as good. Don't know, as I don't own one. Magazines hold 10 rounds.
If you already have a CZ75b, there's another option. CZ makes a Kadet kit that comes as a slide and magazine conversion for your CZ75b. Since it's a steel pistol, the slide is a partial arrangement, but it IS a full size slide on a full size pistol, just not all of the slide recoils back. Mine is VERY accurate (IMO the most accurate of the 'combat' .22 models by any manufacturer.) , easy to shoot, and mimics the feel of the 9mm because it is on your CZ75. Mine required a gunsmith to fit the slide to the gun the first time, but after that, it is EZPZ. The downsides to this model is that the .22 magazines are EXPENSIVE. Also, the gun is subject to light strikes with some ammo if your trigger spring is weak on your base gun. A new trigger spring cures that 95%, the early models may need the firing pin updated to a 2nd design, but the new pin works 100%. CZ used to sell the Kadet as a stand alone model, but they discontinued it a few years back.
As an aside, in the 90's Walther was purchased by Umarex, which makes .22 clones of many guns and they are re-labeled and sold under many brand names. They will usually be marked as made by walther somewhere on the gun.
Brands include H&K, Hämmerli, S&W, Colt, and Uzi.
Yes, they also make pellet, BB and airsoft replicas.
It has a full slide, very closely mimics the 9mm model, is fairly accurate, and mine is not that ammo picky. Mine hates bulk pack winchester (They stick in the chamber and leave a tiny chunk of lead in the barrel/chamber, and won't extract without a cleaning rod or wooden skewer.), but anything else flies. Mine is not that accurate with CCI, but remington, aquila, and SK shoot well. Federal is ok, not great.
No mag safety. No grip safety. No mechanical safety lever. Slide is aluminum, not some zinc alloy (So it's a touch heavier.) The trigger is very good, at 4-5 pounds, and has a very short reset. It has a 1:10 twist for some reason. That may contribute to ammo sensitivity. Don't know. Magazines hold 12 rounds. One of the things that isn't in the specs is how amazing the PPQ feels in the hand. The ergonomics and trigger are as good as it gets without going to a target pistol.
Limited to the options already up there, I'd say the M&P .22 from S&W. The full size model is imported (Made by Walther for S&W.) The slide is made from zinc alloy. As a result of the lighter slide it may be more reliable with standard velocity ammo. I don't know the twist rate of the barrel.
Depending on the model it may/may not have a mag safety (Every one I've seen has the mag safety but there is supposed to be a model without) and will have a safety lever on the frame , but it's the best of the bunch, IMO. Trigger is not horrible, at around 6-7 pounds. Magazines hold 10 or 12, depending on the model.
The S&W M&P .22 compact is a different animal entirely, made in the US by S&W, and is scaled down to 87.5% of normal size (Except for the rail).
The slide is made of aluminum (Not zinc alloy), and kinda reminds me of a walther. The lighter slide should be reliable, due to the smaller size. Trigger is 7-8 pounds, and has a more standard 1:15 twist. I think it would be less ammo sensitive than the above models. Some compact model owners say the barrel rifling is spotty on some examples, and as a result, accuracy might not be as good. Don't know, as I don't own one. Magazines hold 10 rounds.
If you already have a CZ75b, there's another option. CZ makes a Kadet kit that comes as a slide and magazine conversion for your CZ75b. Since it's a steel pistol, the slide is a partial arrangement, but it IS a full size slide on a full size pistol, just not all of the slide recoils back. Mine is VERY accurate (IMO the most accurate of the 'combat' .22 models by any manufacturer.) , easy to shoot, and mimics the feel of the 9mm because it is on your CZ75. Mine required a gunsmith to fit the slide to the gun the first time, but after that, it is EZPZ. The downsides to this model is that the .22 magazines are EXPENSIVE. Also, the gun is subject to light strikes with some ammo if your trigger spring is weak on your base gun. A new trigger spring cures that 95%, the early models may need the firing pin updated to a 2nd design, but the new pin works 100%. CZ used to sell the Kadet as a stand alone model, but they discontinued it a few years back.
As an aside, in the 90's Walther was purchased by Umarex, which makes .22 clones of many guns and they are re-labeled and sold under many brand names. They will usually be marked as made by walther somewhere on the gun.
Brands include H&K, Hämmerli, S&W, Colt, and Uzi.
Yes, they also make pellet, BB and airsoft replicas.
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Looking about, there's also a Beretta m9-.22
It looks well designed, and is also (SURPRISE!) made by walther/umarex.
It takes 10/15 round magazines and has 5 pound short reset single action trigger, but the DA trigger is a pretty heavy arrangement at 9+ pounds.
The chiappa model is not as well designed, and I'd avoid it based on other's recommendations.
It looks well designed, and is also (SURPRISE!) made by walther/umarex.
It takes 10/15 round magazines and has 5 pound short reset single action trigger, but the DA trigger is a pretty heavy arrangement at 9+ pounds.
The chiappa model is not as well designed, and I'd avoid it based on other's recommendations.
Is it the walther that has an alloy slide that has frequently failed? It takes an absolute piece of of junk to fail when shooting factory loaded .22 long rifle, even the high pressure rounds. The thing barely releases more energy than a big firework. Look at what one can do to a heavy steel can, then think about a not so durable piece of pot metal. Those slides are not sintered steel, they are the equivalent of a piece of non stress zinc casting.