9mm, .357 Sig, .40 or .45 ACP?

Which caliber?

  • 9mm, you can never have too many of them

    Votes: 60 39.5%
  • .357 Sig

    Votes: 10 6.6%
  • .40 S&W

    Votes: 18 11.8%
  • .45 ACP

    Votes: 64 42.1%

  • Total voters
    152
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To me the obvious choice given your criteria is the 40 S&W. If cost of ammo wasn't a huge issue or you reload I would wholeheartedly recommend 357 Sig. I picked up a Glock 31 for a steal about 6 months ago and have really become a huge fan of the 357 Sig. You pretty much have to reload for it.

In regards, to why the 40 over the 45. The 40 S&W is cheaper to shoot and IMO is every bit as effective on a per shot basis as the 45 ACP in smaller guns that hold more rounds. I've never really convinced myself to pick up a 45 because I just haven't really found one in a platform I can live with. 1911s are way too heavy of a gun to only hold 7-8 rounds. Its beyond ridiculous. I tend to be pretty utilitarian when it comes to my handgun needs. A 40 oz gun to me is too heavy for daily carry or to haul around hiking or hunting. Double stack 45s are just simply too chunky for my tastes. There is a reason 40 S&W is so popular with the LE community. It is very effective and is chambered a multitude of very practical pistol platforms.

So many folks poo-poo the 357 Sig but it is actually 2nd to only the 40 S&W in terms of being issued by state LE agencies and is issued to the agents tasked with protecting the POTUS. A lot of folks will simply say, "Its just a hot 9mm". I say BS. My reloads with a starting load of Hodgdon Longshot gets 1325 fps with a 124 gr bullet out of my Glock 31. Most 124-125 gr JHP loads run at about 1390-1425 fps from my Glock. Hornady's 147 gr XTP chronoed 1252 fps out of my Glock. That is fast as a 9mm can push 124 gr pullets at +p+ pressures. The 357 Sig really does equal the 357 Mag from similar barrel lengths in bullet weights up to 147 gr. The 147 gr XTP load I mentioned chronos pretty much exactly what the 145 gr ST 357 Mag load does out of a 4"revolver. You can get ammo from Underwood in 357 Sig that generates 650+ ft/lbs of energy from a 4.5" barrel Glock. That's not far off from top level 10mm loads.
 
A couple of folks have suggested 9mm is "cheaper" or "inexpensive". I'm sorry, but the modern, premium hollowpoints that have facilitated the resurgence of the cartridge are absolutely necessary for its effectiveness.....and more expensive then good old .45 hardball, or the 170 - 180 grain truncated cone rounds that have been the mainstay of the. 40 S&W or even 10mm.

Not knocking 9mm......I've got a few. But my concern about the vociferous recommendations on 9mm is that it is based on modern high-performance hollowpoints. And then the newb goes to the store, feels his wallet ache......and reaches for that cheap 115gr fmj.

Just trying to keep it real.

Did you miss the point of the "9mm is cheaper" comments, or are you being deliberately obtuse?


Most modern hollow points are all similar in price, though as caliber increases there is a little rise in price.


Where the "cheaper" comments come from, is in relation to practice... You practice with cheap FMJ, you use the more costly hollow point ammo for defensive uses. There is a pretty significant price difference between 9mm, 40, and 45 fmj ammo.


Not many advocate fmj for defense use in 45, 40 or 10mm... so you will be buying the more expensive hollow point ammo for them as well.


So 9mm is cheaper to practice with... its just as effective as other calibers when comparing hollow point effectiveness... and there is less recoil and more capacity.


I was a big 40 supporter for a while, but I now have eight 9mm pistols, and only one 40, and one 45. (and a couple 22lr) I have so many nines for the reasons mentioned above.


I do think that it is a good thing to have more than one caliber. For variety, and just in case the store is out of a caliber you shoot.
 
Boy I don't agree with this fmj (low cost target grade anyway, likely RN or partial FN) effectiveness at all--being equal to or better than HP or other controlled expansion designs--or even lead cast. I've yet to find a box that says "recommended for hunting or self-defense" though they may be out there.

A friend of mine dropped a deer last season and when processing found--guess what--a fully intact 9 fmj that was embedded in the deer--from the looks of it for years.
 
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With pistols, its all about shot placement. Hollow point ammo does not add much lethality in the common pistols calibers.

But yes, fmj is not prefered.
 
"Everyone should have a semi-auto .22. I know it wasn't one of your choices, but really, you should consider it. I'm actually shocked that it hasn't been suggested yet."

I couldn't agree more. With .22LR finally starting to become available again, it just makes sense to have something that you can shoot economically. I'm partial to both Browning Buck Marks and Ruger Mark* pistols. These can be found for well under 400.00 and are great for target practice, plinking and dispatching small critters.

If you just have to scratch the itch for another CF caliber, I would suggest getting a duty sized pistol in .40S&W. .40 is cheaper than .45 and like others have mentioned, is basically "panic proof" when it comes to availability. Pistols that were designed around the .40S&W(Sig P229, HK USP, S&W M&P, etc.) have beefier slides and will tame the recoil that so many seem to have issues with.
 
Mystro, there are commercially available 357 Sig loads ranging from 115-147 gr. Double Tap even has a 180 gr Hard Cast load available that should be a real thumper.

What do you mean they are only good in 125 gr? That's total hogwash.

I have some Hornady 147 gr XTP that chronos 1250 fps out of my Glock 31. Are you telling me that wouldn't be good for a woods carry load? You realize that is every bit as powerful as the vaunted Winchester 145 gr ST 357 Mag load?

I get so sick and tired of hearing people that have no clue what they are talking about bad mouthing the 357 Sig. In equal barrel lengths the 357 Sig equals the 357 Mag. What some folks do is they will point out the hottest available 357 Mag boutique load and compare it to a watered down Sig round or likewise point out the +p+ RA9TA round or boutique ammo and compare it to a watered down 357 Sig load. As if companies like Underwood don't also make super hot 357 Sig loads.

My starting loads with Hodgdon Longshot generate 1325 fps with a 124 gr pill. These were loads that I was deliberately trying to water down to hot 9mm levels for lower recoil as plinking loads. Even then it is still significantly hotter than even the hottest 9mm stuff. If I was anywhere near max I would be well over 1400 fps. Again, these were starting loads in an attempt to replicate a hot 9mm load.

The Hornady 147 gr XTP runs at about the same speed as the vaunted Winchster RA9TA 127 gr +p+ load. But yeah, its just a hot 9mm. The 357 Sig, 40 S&W, and 10mm to me are much better for woods carry because all of their loads have truncated noses. A roundnose FMJ like those typically loaded in 9mm and 45 ACP have a tendency to glance off targets that are at an angle.

When it comes right down to it, the folks that truly understand ballistics know that penetration really boils down to sectional density and velocity. The 357 Sig and 10mm are the kings of the semi-auto rounds in this factor.
 
I like all calibers. Even mousegun calibers will work if the shooter does their part. BUT...I prefer the biggest, heaviest, fastest round that I can handle for the real world. Who's to say when a fraction of a mm, regarding size or penetration, will make the difference? Out of the calibers you have listed I would choose .45. Choose wisely so you can shoot anything from standard pressure hardball, to +P hollowpoints , to .45 super from the same gun. That's versatility. A big slow slug to a big fast round that is the equal of a hot 10mm.
 
You oughtta check out the S&W line of M&P and SD models. I bought in to them because they are American made, reliable from all reports, and very competitively preiced. (Between $350.00 and $400.00 for a .40 cal, 10+1, with a spare mag.). The deal was tough to beat.
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Mystro, there are commercially available 357 Sig loads ranging from 115-147 gr. Double Tap even has a 180 gr Hard Cast load available that should be a real thumper.

What do you mean they are only good in 125 gr? That's total hogwash.

I have some Hornady 147 gr XTP that chronos 1250 fps out of my Glock 31. Are you telling me that wouldn't be good for a woods carry load? You realize that is every bit as powerful as the vaunted Winchester 145 gr ST 357 Mag load?

I get so sick and tired of hearing people that have no clue what they are talking about bad mouthing the 357 Sig. In equal barrel lengths the 357 Sig equals the 357 Mag. What some folks do is they will point out the hottest available 357 Mag boutique load and compare it to a watered down Sig round or likewise point out the +p+ RA9TA round or boutique ammo and compare it to a watered down 357 Sig load. As if companies like Underwood don't also make super hot 357 Sig loads.

My starting loads with Hodgdon Longshot generate 1325 fps with a 124 gr pill. These were loads that I was deliberately trying to water down to hot 9mm levels for lower recoil as plinking loads. Even then it is still significantly hotter than even the hottest 9mm stuff. If I was anywhere near max I would be well over 1400 fps. Again, these were starting loads in an attempt to replicate a hot 9mm load.

The Hornady 147 gr XTP runs at about the same speed as the vaunted Winchster RA9TA 127 gr +p+ load. But yeah, its just a hot 9mm. The 357 Sig, 40 S&W, and 10mm to me are much better for woods carry because all of their loads have truncated noses. A roundnose FMJ like those typically loaded in 9mm and 45 ACP have a tendency to glance off targets that are at an angle.

When it comes right down to it, the folks that truly understand ballistics know that penetration really boils down to sectional density and velocity. The 357 Sig and 10mm are the kings of the semi-auto rounds in this factor.

Agreed. I've carried 357sig at work for 20 years, with many shootings, and thru just about every material you can think of. It is simply stellar.
 
1st. 5" 1911 .45
2nd. 5" 1911 9mm + Adjustable sights
3rd. CZ75/P01 9mm (look at CZ custom shadow pistols)

- 1911 and CZ 75 - classics which are plenty different from your current Sig P320. I am sure that either one of these will provide you with plenty of enjoyment.

I voted .45
 
When it comes right down to it, the folks that truly understand ballistics know that penetration really boils down to sectional density and velocity.


Actually they know its sectional density and momentum... but velocity is tied in with momentum, so some get that confused.

Its mass that affects it more than velocity, due to the fact that a bullet is loosing velocity and not mass, and the fact that mass has inertia, which resists changes in velocity, which helps limit velocity loss when the object experiences drag forces.


All of the common pistol callibers have no problem with penetration when using fmj... but that really isnt what ypu want to use for hunting or defense use...

I do contend that the larger callibers tend to punch through larger bones better and with straighter tragectories than 9mm... its one of the asvantages that 40 has over 9mm. Also, suitable hunting loads are easier to find in the bigger calibers.

None of that changes the fact that 9mm is cheaper to shoot in bulk (read practice or general range time fun), is perfectly suitable for defense against others who may wish us harm, has lower recoil and better capacity. (Read easier to shoot, often meaning more enjoyable, and less time loading mags)


So if he wants a 9mm, then good on him... if he wants another caliber, then that is fine too.


Has it been said what the main use of the new pistol would be? If so, its all gotten lost in this other talk.


So guys, no need in making claims about your favorite calibers that are not true or are irrelevent... like energy... its just not very relevent in most pistol rounds.
 
HMMMMM. Why does the .357 magnum have so much better a record for 1 shot stops than 9mm if energy is irrelevant? Not to say that it is the only thing that makes the difference with such spotty information but it does appear to figure into it somehow. The information on how additional energy affects a human being is pretty spotty too so I don't think you can say with any certainty that it is irrelevant.
 
What are you planning on doing with the gun. Range toy, Concealed carry, hiking and camping. As much as I like the .357sig I always go back to a 1911 in .45.
 
First, we must look at the reputation that the 357 mag has... Then determine if it actually deserves that reputation. Reputation is tantamount to gossip until backed by evidence.

But it is also a magnum revolver round, and not a semi auto round. (well there are a few exceptions to that)

The statement of energy is mostly in regards to the common semi auto rounds available now.


One shot stops are an inherently unreliable and faulty data set to base any options on. Way too many factors involved for that number to mean anything.

The only thing you can reliably say about a bullet is how it behaves in testing. And by and large, most of the semi rounds and some revolver rounds behave similarly, especially with modern bullets.


357 Sig... All the tests I see of it, show comparable penetration as the 9mm standard pressure stuff. It may gain an inch in some instances. It tends to expand more, to the point that it actually has less frontal area and a smaller diameter, and it can shed fragments and loose weight... Meaning that most ammo makers really not using bullets designed for the added velocity so it's a little over driven.


So in the end, you get similar penetration, expanded diameter, penetration, and wound channels... So basically similar performance to 9mm standard pressure, but with added recoil, flash, and lower capacity.

357 mag has similar performance in gel tests as well...
 
If you fall for the myth of handgun stopping power, .45 ACP will win the day.

But it's just that... a myth. A fantasy.

With today's bullet technology, there is basically NO difference in effectiveness vs a quality 9mm JHP and the same in .45 ACP. What the .45 ACP WILL give you is increased cost, recoil, weight, and size of the firearm it's chambered in.

Talk about sustaining myths! The .45 Auto is, on a per-shot basis, capable of producing greater wounds. Read the FBI memo of May 2014 justifying their choice of the 9 Luger carefully:

There is little to no noticeable difference in the wound tracks between premium line law Auto enforcement projectiles from 9mm Luger through the .45 Auto

And:

The extent to which a projectile expands determines the diameter of the permanent cavity which, simply put, is that tissue which is in direct contact with the projectile and is therefore destroyed. Coupled with the distance of the path of the projectile (penetration), the total permanent cavity is realized. Due to the elastic nature of most human tissue and the low velocity of handgun projectiles relative to rifle projectiles, it has long been established by medical professionals, experienced in evaluating gunshot wounds, that the damage along a wound path visible at autopsy or during surgery cannot be distinguished between the common handgun calibers used in law enforcement. That is to say an operating room surgeon or Medical Examiner cannot distinguish the difference between wounds caused by .35 to .45 caliber projectiles.

Just because a physician cannot discern a difference in wound volume between two calibers does not mean such a difference does not exist. Actually, the difference does exist; physicians just don't have the means, wherewithal, or need to measure the difference. If the bullet is still in the patient the physician extracts the bullet and forensics examiners will determine the caliber. If the bullet is not in the patient, the police or crime scene examiners are likely to recover a bullet or the gun used. And, the caliber of bullet has no impact on the physician's course of treatment. Thus, we can't be surprised that physicians are unable (or unwilling and uninterested) in divining caliber from a wound track.

Take the Speer 9 Luger 147-gr GDHP vs the Speer .45 Auto 230-gr GDHP (aka, the Flying Ashtray). Both meet the IWBA's minimum penetration criteria, 12.5 inches in bare gel, and 13.0 inches in IWBA heavily clothed gel. Thus, both are more than capable of reaching vital organs and destroying highly vascularized tissues. Because they are Gold Dots both expand reliably, but the end result of this expansion is unequal.

In the heavy clothing scenario (the more challenging in that it impedes expansion), the 147-gr GD expands on average to a cross-sectional area of 0.299 square inch, a nice increase from the unexpanded 0.099-square-inch CSA. But, the Flying Ashtray expands on average to a CSA of 0.358 square inch (compared to its unexpanded CSA of 0.160 square inch).

Expanded, the Flying Ashtray destroys 56% more tissue volume per inch of penetration. Unexpanded, the Flying Ashtray destroys 62% more tissue. Thus, on a per-comparable-bullet basis there is no doubt that the .45 Auto is more effective. Admittedly, once other considerations are factored in, such as magazine capacity and recoil-impairment of accuracy and precision, the relative effectiveness of the .45 Auto dwindles and is surpassed. I would find it interesting to test the relative accuracy and precision between a 9 Luger and a .45 Auto. The FBI limited its comparative testing in this regard to 9 Luger vs .40 S&W. Most folks report the .40 having more recoil than the .45. I suspect the degree of accuracy/precision degradation due to the increased recoil of the .45 may be completely offset by the .45's greater CSA. After all, nicking the aorta is almost as good as obliterating it.

The myth inspired by last year's FBI memo, that terminal ballistics of the .45 Auto are no different than those of other service calibers, as terminal ballistics testing tells us, is just plain false. I can think of few things more terrifying than a well aimed Flying Ashtray launched in my direction.
 
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marine6680 said:
Has it been said what the main use of the new pistol would be? If so, its all gotten lost in this other talk.

The primary use of the handgun will be for concealed carry. Secondary will be for home defense. Tertiary will be a fun/ range gun. The primary and secondary are pretty close together with the tertiary trailing pretty far behind.
 
@Limnophile:

Hollow points expand over time so your calculations are incorrect. For much of the distance along the wound track the bullet has not expanded at all. Also, the elasticity of flesh causes the diameter of the wound track to be smaller than the projectile that passes through it. So, even your unexpanded calculations are incorrect. Observing any actual wound proves this to be the case. That is why differentiating between bullets of such similar diameter, velocity, and shape is so difficult for medical professionals even though they probably don't try to tell the difference while they are treating a patient.

Furthermore, more tissue damage, especially such a small difference, does not necessarily mean greater effect on target. If someone's leg is completely blown off they often can still survive. That is far more tissue damage than an entire magazine of .45 can ever do. The small amount of tissue damage handguns inflict isn't what kills people. Handgun wounds cause death or incapacitation via blood loss or by damaging critical parts of the CNS. Blood loss is a really slow way to try to stop someone while they are shooting at you. You have to hope for a psychological stop, hit the heart which will cause them to lose consciousness very rapidly due to the lack of blood flow, or hit their upper spine or brain. Otherwise they will keep shooting at you even if they have 8 .358 in^2 * 12 in holes in (relatively) inconsequential parts of their body. Shot placement is all that matters once your cartridge of choice is able to penetrate to the vital organs.

It would be one thing if we were hunting deer, boar, and other animals that are physically tougher than humans and would therefore require a bullet with more momentum and sectional density to penetrate their thicker hide or bones. But, that isn't the case when it comes to people.

So, yes, there is much doubt that .45 ACP is more effective than 9mm on a human target.

The accuracy degradation due to recoil isn't offset because it is better to put the first shot in the lung and the second in the heart than it is to put the first shot in the lung and the second in the collar bone. However, people who are practiced enough to have proper recoil control shouldn't have this issue. But, I don't know what skill-level of shooter we are talking about because you brought up the FBI. I assume the OP is not an FBI agent and the 9mm will serve him better unless he has his recoil control down.

.45 ACP would be a great choice for the sake of variety or if the OP is concerned about penetrating barriers, but not because of any kind of advantage in terminal ballistics.
 
Even ignoring the fact that real wound channels are not perfectly sized to the projectile, I am trying to figure out the math to get the numbers he mentions.

He gives a frontal area in square inches, to cube that (make it a volume) you need a depth... If we go with a per inch, you multiply the surface area by the length... the 9mm would be .299 cubic inches, and the 45 .356 cubic inch, only about 16% larger.

If we take the whole penetration into account, you get about 18% larger, not 56%.

Unless the fact its very late, and I am tired, has screwed up my thought process on the math. Working on two weeks with no days off, and lots of overtime to boot.


But yeah... while some caliber diversity is never a bad thing really... you can't go wrong with a good 9mm pistol and quality hollow points. If you are most comfortable with 9mm, get it. If you want something different, then do so, just don't do so under false beliefs of improved capability.
 
@marine6680:

For the 9mm it was claimed that it would be .299 in^2 * 12.5 in and .358 in^2 * 12.5 in for the .45 ACP.

9mm Gold Dot wound channel volume would be = 3.7375 in^3
.45 ACP Gold Dot wound channel volume would be = 4.475 in^3

(4.475in^3)/(3.7375in^3)=1.1973

So, the .45 ACP would make a hole with 20% more volume. Except that hollow points don't expand instantaneously, they only become fully expanded near the end of their wound channel, and the wound channel itself will have a smaller diameter than that of the projectile due to the elasticity of flesh. So it would be even less of a difference.

If we look at the claims made about the FMJ versions we get:

9mm FMJ wound channel volume would be = 0.099 in^2 * ??
It is definitely a pass-through at this point so extra penetration is lost. But, it certainly won't be less penetration so let's just say 12.5", again.
0.099 in^2 * 12.5 in = 1.2375 in^3

.45 ACP FMJ wound channel volume would be =
.160 in ^2 * 12.5 in = 2 in^3

(2in^3)/(1.2375in^3)=1.6161

So, the .45 ACP FMJ would make a hole with 62% more volume. Except, again, the wound channel is always smaller than the diameter of the projectile because of the elasticity of flesh. Please see this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G-txVKnVjY. It shows how the permanent wound cavity is very small even though the gel was temporarily stretched much larger than the projectile itself. Human flesh is even more resistant to stretching than ballistic gel.

There really isn't much of a difference here. But, I can understand why someone concerned about their bullets deflecting off of windshields and other obstacles would want to use a bullet with more mass.
 
Hollow points expand over time so your calculations are incorrect. For much of the distance along the wound track the bullet has not expanded at all.

Which of my calculations are incorrect? Please be specific.

Most of JHP expansion occurs during the earliest part of the wound channel, when bullet velocity is highest and, thus, the forces to cause expansion are the greatest. I think it's reasonable to assume that nearly complete expansion occurs before vital organs are reached in most human shot angles.

Also, the elasticity of flesh causes the diameter of the wound track to be smaller than the projectile that passes through it. So, even your unexpanded calculations are incorrect.

Please explain how human tissue magically parts allowing a bullet of any size to pass through without leaving a wound channel, or likely more representative of your position, leaving a wound channel of a given size, regardless of the size of the projectile.

Are you actually saying if you had a choice of having a sewing needle or knitting needle pushed through your body (along the same path, of course), that it wouldn't matter which one was chosen?

Tissue elasticity does not shrink wound channels or make tissue magically dodge bullets (or needles); it makes it more difficult to quantitatively compare otherwise equivalent wound channels formed by projectiles of modestly different diameters, because the elasticity causes most tissues to contract after the damage is done.

Observing any actual wound proves this to be the case. That is why differentiating between bullets of such similar diameter, velocity, and shape is so difficult for medical professionals even though they probably don't try to tell the difference while they are treating a patient.

The difficulty of differentiation is primarily twofold: (1) the observing is done after the fact, not during the actual wounding event, and the elastic nature of tissue after an injury causes the tissue to fall back and occlude the channel; and, (2) the physician typically does not have the responsibility (thus, not the interest) in determining bullet caliber or type (that is the job of the police, crime scene investigator, and forensics analyst; even in an autopsy, where the ME has no interest in treating the wound, it is generally not the ME who determines bullet caliber and type).

The FBI needed a discussion point in their May 2014 memo justifying their move away from the .40 S&W to the 9 Luger to counter the "big holes are better" crowd they knew would vociferously object. To give the agency credit, they didn't try to foist the pseudoscientific argument you are espousing herein, but I'm sure, like the good bureaucrats they are, that they are in no way upset that their mostly irrelevant talking point has been turned into a pseudoscientific claim by others.

The FBI's pamphlet on handgun wounding factors in 1989 specifically says, as it must, that, everything else equal (it never is), big holes are better. While the '89 pamphlet says that reliable expansion is a plus, it acknowledges that JHP expansion was often unreliable at the time, so advised that one should not rely on expansion to produce the big hole. The pamphlet was written by a .45 Auto (big hole) advocate, and his digs at his opponents, high capacity (9 Luger) advocates were subtle. In the near term, the bureaucracy compromised by settling on the 10 Auto, which turned into a LE affinity for the .40 S&W, the mindset last year's memo was written to overturn.

Furthermore, more tissue damage, especially such a small difference, does not necessarily mean greater effect on target. If someone's leg is completely blown off they often can still survive. That is far more tissue damage than an entire magazine of .45 can ever do. The small amount of tissue damage handguns inflict isn't what kills people. Handgun wounds cause death or incapacitation via blood loss or by damaging critical parts of the CNS. Blood loss is a really slow way to try to stop someone while they are shooting at you. You have to hope for a psychological stop, hit the heart which will cause them to lose consciousness very rapidly due to the lack of blood flow, or hit their upper spine or brain. Otherwise they will keep shooting at you even if they have 8 .358 in^2 * 12 in holes in (relatively) inconsequential parts of their body. Shot placement is all that matters once your cartridge of choice is able to penetrate to the vital organs.

You are way off topic and raising irrelevancies. The point of using a handgun for LE or civilian SD purposes is not to kill, but to stop illegal behavior. The vast majority of DGUs in both arenas don't involve pulling a trigger, so even an empty pistol will be effective most of the time. However, the point of choosing a caliber, bullet, and pistol is to stop illegal activity when faced with a determined bad guy. Thus, psychological stops are irrelevant to this discussion about the effect of caliber on wounding potential. It's a nice trick of pseudoscience, however, if you wish to cloud the issue at hand.

Shot placement is important, and it was refreshing to see the FBI for the first time that recoil degrades accuracy and precision. But, that is a seperate issue, although this time related. My point is and has been, all other factors equal, a bigger caliber bullet causes a bigger wound. The FBI knows this, which is why they focus on the irrelevancy of physicians not identifying bullet caliber from wound paths.

It would be one thing if we were hunting deer, boar, and other animals that are physically tougher than humans and would therefore require a bullet with more momentum and sectional density to penetrate their thicker hide or bones. But, that isn't the case when it comes to people.

I've said nothing about momentum and sectional density. Another nice strawman to obfuscate the discussion. Modern handgun terminal ballistics testing uses penetration in a standard tissue simulant in lieu of questionable calculations based on momentum and sectional density.

So, yes, there is much doubt that .45 ACP is more effective than 9mm on a human target.

No there is not, if everything else is held equal. Bigger holes cause more damage, all else equal -- period. The FBI has never been foolish enough to say otherwise; in fact, I believe their May 2014 memo stands behind the agency's 1989 pamphlet that explicitly says bigger holes are better.

The accuracy degradation due to recoil isn't offset because it is better to put the first shot in the lung and the second in the heart than it is to put the first shot in the lung and the second in the collar bone. However, people who are practiced enough to have proper recoil control shouldn't have this issue. But, I don't know what skill-level of shooter we are talking about because you brought up the FBI. I assume the OP is not an FBI agent and the 9mm will serve him better unless he has his recoil control down.

Wow, just wow. Whether the greater recoil of the .45 offsets the larger wounding area of its bullet depends on the degree of accuracy and precision degradation the .45 produces relative to the 9. In the hands of a skilled combat shooter, I suspect the difference in accuracy and precision between the two platforms may be small.

.45 ACP would be a great choice for the sake of variety or if the OP is concerned about penetrating barriers, but not because of any kind of advantage in terminal ballistics.

The FBI's 2014 memo documents the results and reasoning of a multicriteria decision analysis they conducted. I happen to agree with their decision to deem the 9 Luger as optimal. But, I object to anyone abusing the agency's memo by claiming that the .45 Auto, on a per-round basis, has more wounding potential. When other important factors are taken into account, most notably capacity, the 9 Luger's wounding potential becomes greater than the .45 Auto's. The .45 may have 60% greater wounding potential per inch of vital tissue traversed, but the 9 has a 100% greater capacity.
 
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