Marco Califo
New member
@Aguila Blanca
http://www.bsis.ca.gov/
http://www.bsis.ca.gov/about_us/laws/pssact.shtml
http://www.bsis.ca.gov/forms_pubs/firearms_manual.pdf
http://www.bsis.ca.gov/forms_pubs/incidentreprt.pdf
https://govt.westlaw.com/calregs/Br...nType=Default&contextData=(sc.Default)&bhcp=1
Another thing I think a lot of you who have never actually done that work don't understand are the Employers (Security company paying the guard) policy's and directives, and client's (7/1 company's) specific instructions. Neither of them want this to happen. The general instructions are to release the cash and not have any one get hurt. [De-escalate, which is also the state doctrine]. 7/11 has a very effective method of currency control (a drop safe and timed change draw). It is impossible to get more than $500 in a 7/11 stickup. Since the dollar loss is controlled, they DO NOT WANT confrontation. They instruct the clerks to hand it over if robbed, They also give cops free coffee, sodas free.
I worked banks, where the bank manager ignored the two armed guards guarding the payday millions (literally), until we calmly, silently and slyly moved into positions, one behind and one off to one side of an idiot who can in on a sweltering summer Friday afternoon, wearing black leather and a motorcycle helmet and full Visor with a large bag slung over one shoulder. We also had to scan both entrances and the parking lot as this was unfolding. The rider on the storm cashed his paycheck and left. The manager went crazy on us for "acting like cowboys". We told her to call our office. End for her issue.
The next week, said biker came back in and apologized and understood, then, what we were doing and why, and acknowledged his outfit as unwise. [A footnote, our actions that day in the 1980's are probably no longer "within current regulation".]
Of course this guard will not be hired for crowded lobbies at big cash handling banks. But imagine if these guys, two bad and one in uniform, Larry, Mo, and Curly Joe, played this out in one of those bank lobbies.
The doctrine in California is for armed security to be an effective deterrent, so that the crime does not go down in the first place.
This guard seems to have been employed for just this 7/11 as his client. He is supposed to be seen, look sharp, and deter. That is his job. He is not allowed to intimidate. Only necessary actions in an emergency is allowed, ultimately to act preserve life (not property anymore). Was he supposed to stand inside, or outside? Was he on the phone with a galpal, or eating cheese burgers in his armed guard mobile. The two bleeders didn't seem to know the place had an armed guard: THAT MEANS HE WAS NOT DOING HIS JOB. He may have felt he needed to bust in shooting to make up for why ever he was not at his post. Ok, he may have been told to watch the parking lot too. But The perps had NO CLUE he was there.
I may reinstate by credential (again). The Firearms permit comes in handy at my gun club when I renew. I have looked up the instructor who I last had, and may try to talk to him this Saturday, because I want to here his take on this. Videos like this one get used in the classes, always as topics of what not to do.
http://www.bsis.ca.gov/
http://www.bsis.ca.gov/about_us/laws/pssact.shtml
http://www.bsis.ca.gov/forms_pubs/firearms_manual.pdf
http://www.bsis.ca.gov/forms_pubs/incidentreprt.pdf
https://govt.westlaw.com/calregs/Br...nType=Default&contextData=(sc.Default)&bhcp=1
Another thing I think a lot of you who have never actually done that work don't understand are the Employers (Security company paying the guard) policy's and directives, and client's (7/1 company's) specific instructions. Neither of them want this to happen. The general instructions are to release the cash and not have any one get hurt. [De-escalate, which is also the state doctrine]. 7/11 has a very effective method of currency control (a drop safe and timed change draw). It is impossible to get more than $500 in a 7/11 stickup. Since the dollar loss is controlled, they DO NOT WANT confrontation. They instruct the clerks to hand it over if robbed, They also give cops free coffee, sodas free.
I worked banks, where the bank manager ignored the two armed guards guarding the payday millions (literally), until we calmly, silently and slyly moved into positions, one behind and one off to one side of an idiot who can in on a sweltering summer Friday afternoon, wearing black leather and a motorcycle helmet and full Visor with a large bag slung over one shoulder. We also had to scan both entrances and the parking lot as this was unfolding. The rider on the storm cashed his paycheck and left. The manager went crazy on us for "acting like cowboys". We told her to call our office. End for her issue.
The next week, said biker came back in and apologized and understood, then, what we were doing and why, and acknowledged his outfit as unwise. [A footnote, our actions that day in the 1980's are probably no longer "within current regulation".]
Of course this guard will not be hired for crowded lobbies at big cash handling banks. But imagine if these guys, two bad and one in uniform, Larry, Mo, and Curly Joe, played this out in one of those bank lobbies.
The doctrine in California is for armed security to be an effective deterrent, so that the crime does not go down in the first place.
This guard seems to have been employed for just this 7/11 as his client. He is supposed to be seen, look sharp, and deter. That is his job. He is not allowed to intimidate. Only necessary actions in an emergency is allowed, ultimately to act preserve life (not property anymore). Was he supposed to stand inside, or outside? Was he on the phone with a galpal, or eating cheese burgers in his armed guard mobile. The two bleeders didn't seem to know the place had an armed guard: THAT MEANS HE WAS NOT DOING HIS JOB. He may have felt he needed to bust in shooting to make up for why ever he was not at his post. Ok, he may have been told to watch the parking lot too. But The perps had NO CLUE he was there.
I may reinstate by credential (again). The Firearms permit comes in handy at my gun club when I renew. I have looked up the instructor who I last had, and may try to talk to him this Saturday, because I want to here his take on this. Videos like this one get used in the classes, always as topics of what not to do.