64 assaults on border patrol in the last three months.
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Rich Lucibella
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LAK-
Clearly, you miss the point. I am not at all concerned about visibly and vociferously speaking out against my Government's Policies when I disagree. I do it on this Board quite often.....and it's hardly "mainstream". I'll take my chances when The Beast arises....OK?
I'm simply putting myself in your position and asking whether you are abusing my generosity. To Wit:
- You believe that expression of your views can get you in real trouble.
- It only follows from your position that anyone providing a venue for your views is similarly endangered.
- Yet you choose to use a venue provided by me.
Does it not follow, from your own frame of reference that you are, therefore, abusing my security at your own anonymous gain? Does it not follow, from your own frame of reference, that you are setting me up as Canon Fodder in "The Global Plantation"?
Kindly answer the question.
Rich
Clearly, you miss the point. I am not at all concerned about visibly and vociferously speaking out against my Government's Policies when I disagree. I do it on this Board quite often.....and it's hardly "mainstream". I'll take my chances when The Beast arises....OK?
I'm simply putting myself in your position and asking whether you are abusing my generosity. To Wit:
- You believe that expression of your views can get you in real trouble.
- It only follows from your position that anyone providing a venue for your views is similarly endangered.
- Yet you choose to use a venue provided by me.
Does it not follow, from your own frame of reference that you are, therefore, abusing my security at your own anonymous gain? Does it not follow, from your own frame of reference, that you are setting me up as Canon Fodder in "The Global Plantation"?
Kindly answer the question.
Rich
Rich,
Well, I think you have my frame of reference slightly misinterpreted. Posting on a website with a user name doesn't stop the government - if they have just cause - from finding out exactly who you are very quickly and easily.
But of real concern could be freelancing groups and individual nuts of all types; who with just a name - especially one like mine that is very uncommon - could access various sources of public information and probably have my address the same day.
The people who have a stranglehold on our government at various levels are not concernd with people like me. What they are doing is in the open. Enough people either couldn't care less, assume because "it's always been that way" that it is normal, or understand things quite well - and like it that way for various reasons.
Now if I managed to buy FOX, the European Sky Channel, etc from Rupert Murdoch ... I'd be very concerned indeed
Am I abusing this site at the expense of a risk to you personally? I don't think so. You chose to use your real name, and you opened a Legal & Political forum. You do not have to agree with anything I write, you can openly oppose it, and there is no more connection between my view and yours than any of the thousands of others who have posted on here or the other hundreds of websites.
Politics is an inherently volatile subject, but within the necessity of legality can not reasonably be censored without defeating the purpose of discussion in the first place. From my point of view if I do not write what I believe to be true, there is no point in writing at all.
My position is not one of total security; there are plenty of people - no doubt a fair number of kooks among them - who could hack my pc and traffic, and zero in on my name and/or address that way. But I would not give it to them on a plate out of choice.
Well, I think you have my frame of reference slightly misinterpreted. Posting on a website with a user name doesn't stop the government - if they have just cause - from finding out exactly who you are very quickly and easily.
But of real concern could be freelancing groups and individual nuts of all types; who with just a name - especially one like mine that is very uncommon - could access various sources of public information and probably have my address the same day.
The people who have a stranglehold on our government at various levels are not concernd with people like me. What they are doing is in the open. Enough people either couldn't care less, assume because "it's always been that way" that it is normal, or understand things quite well - and like it that way for various reasons.
Now if I managed to buy FOX, the European Sky Channel, etc from Rupert Murdoch ... I'd be very concerned indeed
Am I abusing this site at the expense of a risk to you personally? I don't think so. You chose to use your real name, and you opened a Legal & Political forum. You do not have to agree with anything I write, you can openly oppose it, and there is no more connection between my view and yours than any of the thousands of others who have posted on here or the other hundreds of websites.
Politics is an inherently volatile subject, but within the necessity of legality can not reasonably be censored without defeating the purpose of discussion in the first place. From my point of view if I do not write what I believe to be true, there is no point in writing at all.
My position is not one of total security; there are plenty of people - no doubt a fair number of kooks among them - who could hack my pc and traffic, and zero in on my name and/or address that way. But I would not give it to them on a plate out of choice.
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Rich Lucibella
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LAK-
Understood with thanks. You have clearly qualified your position to indicate that you do not believe there is a threat level from the Government for posting positions such as yours. Your concern is about "nuts" learning your address.
OTOH, I am bound to point out that this articulation of the issue is somewhat at odds with your earlier statement.
Rich
Understood with thanks. You have clearly qualified your position to indicate that you do not believe there is a threat level from the Government for posting positions such as yours. Your concern is about "nuts" learning your address.
OTOH, I am bound to point out that this articulation of the issue is somewhat at odds with your earlier statement.
I appreciate this latest clarification.LAK said:
Rich
Research on Mexican Army Attacks on Border Patrol
Here are some links for you all....
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15576
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37563
http://www.sierratimes.com/02/05/23/araz052302.htm
http://www.vdare.com/francis/border_problems.htm
http://www.usbc.org/info/newslet/BA0800.pdf - page 3
Here are some links for you all....
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15576
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37563
http://www.sierratimes.com/02/05/23/araz052302.htm
http://www.vdare.com/francis/border_problems.htm
http://www.usbc.org/info/newslet/BA0800.pdf - page 3
Rich,
My first statement still applies in the sense that it is a perfectly rational and reasoned fear on it's own. Governments have general tendencies gravitating towards bigger, more control, more power - and tyranny.
This is universally so and history is littered with them, some have emerged and continue to this day, and others are well down that road. Despite the efforts of some of those who founded our own, it is recorded that people like Jefferson and others realized even then that these tendencies wouldn't abate. That those who seek power through government would continually strive to that end. History records and many have written concerning the various means with which these things progress. In Roman times and through today, there are three keys to absolute power. They are the control of money, information and conflict.
The less information a government holds over it's citizens, the safer their liberty remains.
Rich Lucibella
Staff
LAK-
I really didn't need the history lesson. Let's just let it drop......you're frightened of exposing yourself to .gov or the "nuts". Of course, when someone else stands up and provides you an anonymous venue for your "insights", you consider it "patriotic".
I call it something else. 'Nuff said.
Rich
I really didn't need the history lesson. Let's just let it drop......you're frightened of exposing yourself to .gov or the "nuts". Of course, when someone else stands up and provides you an anonymous venue for your "insights", you consider it "patriotic".
I call it something else. 'Nuff said.
Rich
Rich,
The history, as I made clear in an earlier post, was not something I felt you needed personally. But reading other threads and related topics over the years it is clear that every once in awhile it is a good idea to outline it again for the benefit of others who need reminding.
Fine, let's do let it drop. But I did say that remaining anon on a forum like this was not out of fear of being exposed to the gov, and why.
The history, as I made clear in an earlier post, was not something I felt you needed personally. But reading other threads and related topics over the years it is clear that every once in awhile it is a good idea to outline it again for the benefit of others who need reminding.
Fine, let's do let it drop. But I did say that remaining anon on a forum like this was not out of fear of being exposed to the gov, and why.