6.5 Grendel VS. 6.8 SPC comparisons?

I forgot to mention (though it is probably a moot point by now) that there is supposedly going to be some steel cased 6.5 grendel coming on the market that will be priced similarly to 7.62x39 steel cased stuff. Obviously it won't be premium ammunition, but at least it will be something to practice with.
 
I personally think that 6.8 makes a great AR caliber but a pretty sad bolt action.

What would be sad about a hyper efficient cartridge delivering 1,000+ ft. lbs of energy to 300 yards with a bullet that will still expand when it gets there, yet will not come apart at close range, with a bullet that I already have in stock? I am thinking the 130 gr SGK launched at 2300 f/sec could be done in a 20-22"" barrelled youth scaled bolt gun, and done without generating recoil that daughter Jac would find ...... problematic. She was fine with a Marlin 30/30 pushing a 150 gr bullet @2200....

If you have a .270, just use that. I use Corelokt 130 gr ammo. Works just fine, not as sexyhighspeedlowdrag as this other stuff but it has been around long enough to have been proven effective.

Oh, I have a couple of .270's ...... the kids (especially 12 y.o. Jac, who is a distance runner and built like a greyhound!) find them overly large and heavy..... and I'm kind of averse to down loading a .270 down to 2300 ...... seems like a lot of empty space in that big case (bad ju-ju?) ...... then there's the issue of 4 or 5 different loads for the same caliber, but different guns AND for different shooters........ I already downloaded some 130's for Eldest (to 2800 f/sec) last fall...... THIS year I want MY RIFLE back!
 
....... Or I could just say to hell with it, and start stocking yet another bullet diameter, and get Jac a .243 or .260 .........
 
Or I could just say to hell with it, and start stocking yet another bullet diameter, and get Jac a .243 or .260 .........

This is what I would do.

For me the reason that a 6.8 spcII is a poor bolt action gun is because the chamber is designed for reliability and velocity but not for accuracy. I like my bolt guns to be hyper accurate. Especially if I am going to go through the trouble to rebarrel an action. If you are just wanting to get something handy for your kids to use then there are plenty of other calibers that you won't have to get a special barrel for that will work just as well or better. .243 and .260 are good examples. Though they aren't as effecient from a 16" barrel they will probably get you more performance.
 
For me the reason that a 6.8 spcII is a poor bolt action gun is because the chamber is designed for reliability and velocity but not for accuracy.

Interesting, because sub MOA is easy to get with the 6.8.
 
6.8 not accurate?

Take a look,,, and then try to tell me it's not accurate.

This is from a target I was zeroing a new rear sight on. 10 shots fired at 100 yards. The first 4 were low and right. I clicked up and left 6 times with 6 shots.
The 6th one touched the right lower edge of the square.

My friend Bob Ellis was on the spotting scope and he told me "come up one and left one, and shoot me a group"
I did as he said, and fired the last 4 rounds.

Seems pretty accurate to me.....

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My hell guys. All I said was that the chamber is not designed for high accuracy. I also said that some people do get high good accuracy from them. BUT the chamber of the SPCII is not one that leads to high accuracy. I didn't just make this up. I got it from the 6.8 forums.

Read post number 6 on this link. (written by a popular manufacturer of 6.8 stuff)

http://68forums.com/forums/showthre...AR-Performance&p=183239&viewfull=1#post183239
 
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Oh it's not a "counter attack" LongdayJake
:)

Just showing the way things are with one of the 6.8s I have made. I have built about 30 of them.
Some have only shot about 1 MOA or a bit over, , but a few like the one that I shot the above group with, shoot as well as about any rifle you can find.
 
It's not that a 6.8SPC gun can't be accurate. I spent good money getting ARP's barrel and expect it.

Longdayjake is referring to how the case diameter, shoulder angle, bullet length, and overall length can be selected to make a highly accurate caliber. Some features are better at it than others. The 6.8SPC designers deliberately chose not to include them because they were looking for more POWER from a 14.5" milspec 2MOA gun. Not setting a 600m record for smallest group.

A short fat case, steep shoulder, and long bullet, even in the same overall length, will be inherently more accurate - but you have to shoot it at extreme ranges to take advantage of it, much less see it. The difference is the BC, which means the bullet loses less energy over longer distances, and takes longer to go subsonic and tumble. Just a matter of what you prioritize in the features you select. That's what the inventor of the PPC case design did, and he's earned a trophy case of collective awards that many others pulled the trigger on.

Overall, the accurizing of either gun in it's caliber is about the same. Optic, furniture, and trigger varies little among the precision crowd. Without the caliber engraved on the port cover, you might not be able to see any difference. Sighted in at the same distance, most of the trajectory difference is covered with a candy wrapper.

Longday shoots both calibers, it's an informed opinion.
 
Sighted in at the same distance, most of the trajectory difference is covered with a candy wrapper.

This is assuming that there isn't much wind. My personal opinion is that BC really shines when the wind is blowing. I shoot a lot of varmints (rockchucks) and I have definately noticed a difference in wind deflection between bullets with high bc and bullets with low bc.
 
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