6.5 Grendel VS. 6.8 SPC comparisons?

Nice suggestions, but wildcats not available on the open market don't seem to be the OP's intent. Both the 6.8 and 6.5 at least have industry support and parts on the shelf, today.

Most hunters want industry support, meaning ammo on the shelf. That's already problematic with the 6.8 and 6.5, not many gun stores even carry it yet. It will get better, what is interesting is all the jockeying to come out with others loaded straight off the 5.56 case. The .300 Whisper/Blackout goes back to the 70's, and it hasn't made as much impact.

You can only churn the market so much, 6.8 and 6.5 are about the only ones with serious traction right now. Cutting the pie in smaller pieces isn't going to appeal to mainstream hunters new to the AR.
 
keep in mind im talking about georgia deer here, not exactly what i was used to in northern new england when i lived there. Deer here hardly deserve the name, 15o lbs is a monster down here.

If your legal to shoot deer in your state with a 5.56 and are using hunting ammo stick with your 223/5.56 caliber. You said your using it on hogs and hogs are much tougher than a 100lb deer.

I don't see a reason to spend the money unless you just go ahead and spend it on a AR 10 and you problems is solved. You won't have any trouble finding ammo at a good price either!

Unless you reload I say stay away from the expensive "Hard to find" calibers.;)
 
I have LOTS of experience with the 6.8. I and 7 friends of mine have used them for hunting in Montana, Wyoming, Michigan Idaho and Nevada for the last 6 years.

I have only a little experience with the 6.5. I have only built 2 of them and only one of the two has been hunted with my the man I made it for. He lives in Montana and owns 3 ARs I made for him, a 5.56, a 6.8 and a 6.5 Grendel. That 6.5 is a super good shooter, but he has said to me that the 6.8 kills have been better then his 6.5 (he's killed only 2 deer and one antelope with the 6.5. The 8 of us mentioned above have 70 kills now total made with the 6.8s)
It seems "Glock" is correct,--- the bullets that are used in the 6.5 are not as good as the 6.8 bullets for KILLING, but they are better for flight and targets. Not that the 6.5 is bad, but from about 350 yards and back the 6.8 kills better.
Here is a wound made by me with my 6.8 on a Wyoming Antelope. That's my fist in the pic. The 6.8 works VERY well and is VERY deadly.

tn.jpg

If someone would bring out a 120 gr. 6.8 bullet that would not come apart, but that would also expand well, I think the 6.5 would be equal to the 6.8, but so far, it's not working out as well.
The Speer and the Remington 120 grain bullets should work wonderfully, but my man in Montana says they are not as good as the .277" 110 grain Sierra, the 100 grain Remington, and the 110 grain Barnes in the 6.8.

Hornady brought out some red plastic tipped 110 grain .277s a few years back and I tried them along with my friend Cas. They were not very good. They were erratic and didn't perform well on game even though they were SUPER accurate,. Some came apart and a few seemed to act like solids. So just shooting a 6.8 is not going to be magic either. There are some bullets in the .277" size that are not very good either.
It's good to ask those that have used the calibers and avoid making the same mistakes they did.

A normal man learns from his own mistakes
A wise man learns from the failures of others.
.
:)
 
Hornady brought out some red plastic tipped 110 grain .277s a few years back

110 gr V-Max, intended to detonate inside prairie dogs when launched from a .270 WIN at 3,000+ f/sec ...... bad choice for hunting something you want to eat w/o picking bullet and bone fragements out of.....

Anybody tried Berger VLD's for hunting in either 6.8 or the Grendel round?
 
I own and shoot both the 6.8 and 6.5. I have yet to take any large game with the 6.8 as I built it right before deer season and had no luck. However, I was able to get a cow elk with the 6.5 and a 100 grain Barnes TTSX loaded with 28 grains of AA2230. Those rounds had a chrono reading of about 2795-2800 fps. I could have probably put another grain or two of powder into them for another 100fps out of my 20 inch barrel. My shot was HORRIBLE. I hit the right rear femur as the elk was running at an angle away from me. The bullet broke the femur and passed another 2-1/2 to 3 feeth through the body and finally stopped just under the hide on the left front shoulder. Luckily the bullet caught something vital and she died after she layed down on the opposite side of the hill that I shot her on. The bullet penetrated a lot better than expected after hitting the femur. You can see where I cut the bullet out of her shoulder in this picture.

elk.jpg


I think the bullet would have opened up a little more had it not hit the femur right off the bat.

bullets007.jpg


bullets008.jpg


Now, I believe that either round is capable of taking most game at reasonable distances. The 6.8 is a fine round and it is great for killing anything that you want it to. As Bedlamite points out, the 6.8 basically focuses mostly on various hunting rounds to load for it because the match bullets really don't have the best of BCs. The SPCII chamber was not designed for match accuracy either so you should not expect to get totally amazing groups (though some guys do). I personally think that the 6.8 is a perfectly good round for hunting. I think that the best bullet for the 6.8 right now is the 95 grain TTSX.

However, I personally prefer the 6.5 Grendel. It is true that most of the high BC bullets that the 6.5 Grendel can use are not designed for hunting. That said, the 6.5 range of bullets gives one plenty of hunting bullet options, though they don't have the high BC of the match bullets. The 6.5 bullets do seem to work pretty well on game. I personally don't think I will use anything but the Barnes TTSX 100 grain bullet because I think you get the most bang for you buck from that bullet. There are a lot of guys using the new 123 grain AMAX which will probably work as well as most hunting rounds. There are already a few guys reporting good results on deer.
The reason I like the Grendel is because my rifle can double as a long-distance, high-accuracy range toy AND it will kill a deer or elk as well as the 6.8. There are some that contend (stupidly) that the 6.8 is as good of a long range caliber as the Grendel, but in all actuallity BC really does mean something -especially when wind is added as a factor. So, when I want to shoot it for accuracy I can load some match bullets with high BC; when I want to shoot animals I can load it with some good hunting bullets.

Both the 6.8 and the 6.5 are going to cost about the same as any other good hunting load if you are buying factory ammo. Now that Hornady is producing brass for 6.5 grendel, both 6.8 and 6.5 reloading components are readily available and similar in price. I have found that the 100 grain TTSX 6.5 bullets are easier to come by than the 95 grain 6.8 TTSX, but that could just be in my area.

Also, the 6.5 grendel is short on makers of magazines but I have found that the 6.8 mags acutally work really well in my 6.5 Grendel and vise-versa. So, if you want to buy a high dollar 6.8 mag and use it in the 6.5 grendel, it should work well.

I won't tell you what to buy, but I will say that if I was to start all over again and I could only get one, I would definately go with the 6.5 Grendel. It's just more fun for me and does everything I want it to do.

Just for more information here is an article that I found kind of interesting.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=431&t=202148&light=
 
I should also mention that if you are wanting to shoot factory ammo, only the SSA tactical loads will shoot the 6.8 bullets faster than the 6.5 factory loads.

Does anyone know of another ammo manufacturer for the 6.8 that makes SPCII loads (don't know much about it since I only reload)?
 
Nice suggestions, but wildcats not available on the open market don't seem to be the OP's intent. Both the 6.8 and 6.5 at least have industry support and parts on the shelf, today.

I suggested the 6X45 over the 6X47 because Cor-Bon is making ammunition for it. You can order it online which is going to be the best bet anyway for the Grendel and 6.8 SPC as well. Midway USA doesn’t have any in stock right now, but I'd give the 80 grain TSX a try for deer hunting.

Les Baer's web site states Black Hill's is supposed to start making the cartridge in three different weights as well. Then there are places like Northwest CP that make ammunition at a reasonable rate as well. Plus if a guy wanted to get into hand loading this would make for a very easy cartridge to start with.
 
Infact at very close ranges (sub 25 yards) the 6.8 would be superior, not necessarily because of knock down power, but because of lack of recoil. The great thing about the 223/556 is the recoil is so low that you can get back on target very fast for multiple shots. I believe the same is true for the 6.8.

My experience is that they both kick about the same. I personally can't tell much difference between the two and a 5.56. Its so little recoil that its almost negligible.

Short fat case, long bullets in a smaller diameter carry slightly less energy,even from longer barrels, but the bullet carries it further due to it's aerodynamic efficiency. That starts showing results, but it's mostly beyond combat ranges.

This isn't true in most cases. If you are talking about bullets of the same weight then yeah a bullet going faster will carry more energy. However, the Grendel usually uses heavier bullets than the 6.8 which carry and maintain the energy for quite a while. Energy is affected by both mass and velocity. This means that lighter bullets going very fast can often be matched by heavy bullets going considerably slower. Or you can look at it the other way. If you want to match the energy of a heavy bullet but use a smaller bullet, you just have to send it faster. So, the 6.8 uses somewhat lighter bullets (85-110) grain bullets and shoots them from 3000-2600 fps. The Grendel uses 95-140 grain bullets and shoots them from 2900-2300 fps. In the end, the performance is going to be near identical depending on what bullet you use.
 
Last edited:
And here I thought the idead was 1 well placed shot, and not to shoot yoour dinner to pieces......

This would definately be ideal. When I shot that elk I knew it was a bad shot and I wanted to take another shot at her. I had enough time to take 3 or more shots at her before she got to the top of the adjacent hill, but she was mixed in with the rest of the herd. I couldn't positively identify her (very low light) and I didn't want to end up shooting two elk. So, the Grendel has low enough recoil that you can take multiple shots if you need to but hunting conditions don't always allow it.
 
Longdayjake-- it happens, I have muffed a couple shots myself, it's what you do after that counts. Hunt long enough and it happens to all of us, well most of us, there are always a few that are lucky or perfect.:rolleyes:
 
me:
the recoil is so low that you can get back on target very fast for multiple shots
jimbob86:
And here I thought the idead was 1 well placed shot, and not to shoot yoour dinner to pieces......

LOL. True. I didn't make myself very clear. I was making a case for how the 6.8 would be a strong contender for a tactical rifle at short range. i.e. If you were in urban warfare or on a S.W.A.T. team or something. I know this is not what the OP's intentions are so I did get off tangent a little. I was just trying to explain the 6.8's strong points. I do believe it's a great round. And it packs quite a punch. But so does the 6.5G and I love mine.

me:
Infact at very close ranges (sub 25 yards) the 6.8 would be superior, not necessarily because of knock down power, but because of lack of recoil. The great thing about the 223/556 is the recoil is so low that you can get back on target very fast for multiple shots. I believe the same is true for the 6.8.
Longdayjake:
My experience is that they both kick about the same. I personally can't tell much difference between the two and a 5.56. Its so little recoil that its almost negligible.

Again I agree the recoil is very close but the 6.5 does kick a little more. At close range you can shoot the .223/5.56 on full auto and stay on target. I think I would have a hard time staying on target with my 16" tactical in Grendel on full auto. Again I know the OP's intentions are for hunting so this is extra info that the OP may deem not needed. I was just trying to explain my views on each round (6.8 vs 6.5G) and I probably did a poor job of it. I would say the difference in recoil for the purpose of hunting is negligable.
 
I had given some thought to buying a 6.8 bolt action, for a deer rifle for my recoil shy daughter ...... I already load for .270 WIN, though the 100 and 110 grain varmint bullets may not work very well ...... then again, they were designed to come apart at .270 WIN velocities ..... at 6.8 speeds, they may hold together better........ what do you guys think?

Then again, it being a bolt action, I could have them put a long throat in it, and just launch 130 grain ballistic tips ...... just thinking out loud....
 
If you have a .270, just use that. I use Corelokt 130 gr ammo. Works just fine, not as sexyhighspeedlowdrag as this other stuff but it has been around long enough to have been proven effective.
 
Lot of great info and discussion here guys, I appreciate all the input. At the moment im starting to lean towards the 6.8 SPC. Now, generally speaking will any manufacturers upper mate up positively with my lower? or are there any combinations i should avoid? For the record my AR-15 is a SR-556, for which ruger does make a 6.8 SPC upper for, but im not opposed to mixing and matching manufacturers as long as its perfectly reasonable to do so.
 
Madball, If you get a 6.8, make sure it has a SPC2 chamber and 1:11-1:12 twist with 3-5 grooves. Each one of those options will allow a reduction in pressure and an increase in velocity. DO NOT GET THE RUGER 6.8, they use a SAAMI chamber and 1:10 6 groove barrel.

ARperformance or Bison Armory are the best options available in 6.8, and yes any AR15 upper will work on any AR15 lower.
 
For once I agree with Bedlamite. The Ruger is indeed chambered for the anemic SPCI. Any other upper will fit on your lower. ARperformance is probably your best bet.
 
Back
Top