586 problem (Canada)

586

Blue Heeler
One reason on earth that I don't do that is because you can't. I wasn't 100% sure about that when you first mentioned it, so I looked into it. Apparently this was done when the bill was first introduced when it came into effect. Due to being reversable as you mentioned, they caught on and added to the wording a permanent fixture that has continuous rifling. I spoke with the smith and the 8 inch barrel that he has, can be cut down to whatever length I need (over 4") and recrowned. So I'm thinking 6" total cost for barrel and work is 300.00. So I'm still ahead of the game I guess, and 1 less 586 in the furnace.
 
Bic - Bad Luck. I didn't know they inspected every one - what an administrative nightmare. That 'official measurer' dude must be busy.
 
Blue Heeler
Yea apparently prior to having the transfer completed, it has to be inspected, by the dude, but I do appreciate the suggestions, thanks again.
Bic
 
I understand that your gunsmith has a barrel, but have you looked into having an authorized Smith & Wesson repair station in Canada do a barrel change? It may be less expsnsive than your gunsmith doing the change with his barrel. You might look into seeing if he or another gunsmith can get a replacement barrel from a Canadian Smith & Wesson parts supplier. I've only done a few, but the barrels I've fooled with were not very difficult to change.
 
586

Malamute
I wasn't aware that there were authorized S&W suppliers in Canada, I'll try looking it up. You don't happen to know of one off the top of your head do you. One other thing was my gunsmith seemed to think that the 8" barrel isn't all that bad a thing, recoil,accuracy etc. just seems like a LOT of barrel to me, what do you think. Just so we're on the same page, the problem isn't so much putting a new one on, its trying to locate a 6" barrel.
 
38 barrel

One thing I did notice on the barrel that he had was it was a .38 cal. Now I am well aware that 38 can be fired through a 357 but can 357 be fired through a 38 barrel. Man I feel like a dork asking this, but I would feel even dorkier if there was a problem.
 
Clarification

Blueheeler,
It is only the altered weapons that are measured.The measurer or Verifier may be a volunteer.

In the old system handguns only were registered.In that system the gun had to be taken to a police station to be checked out and one of the things they did was measure the barrel.Ironically there was no restrictions on barrel lenght then.

Under the new system there are so many guns to be dealt with that no official sees them.It's a paper shuffle.
 
Bic, you might try contacting Smith & Wesson about that barrel. I'm not aware of any 38 spl barrels made for L frame, (586 models) guns. I believe they DID make some heavy lugged "K" frame 8" 38 spl guns/barrels. IF this barrel is from a K frame gun, it's not going to work on the L frame in question. They will look identical, but the centerline of the bore to centerline of the cylinder will be different, and the barrel shank/thread diameter MAY be different. I'm not sure about that last point.

IF the barrel IS for an L frame, the 38 spl won't be an issue, as was mentioned by several.

I believe Smith & Wesson has some parts and/or service facility in most major countries that they sell guns to. Might try Smith's web site and see what shows up.

Anyone have their recent Smith paperwork that comes with new guns? They should have a Canadian listing.

Has there been any definative decision on if it is OK or NOT OK to send a barrel from the states? If it requires some paperwork to get one in-country it still may not be that tough to do, assuminmg that the Canadian Smith service center cant help you..

My personal preference in barrels is 4" and 6". The 4's carry nicer, the 6's are nice to shoot if you arent carrying. I agree that the longer barrels look "different" and ungainly to me. They will be real mild to shoot tho.
 
586

Glen Kelly
you are correct about the guns that have been altered have to be measured, however the comment about the measurers may be volenteers is in fact to my understanding,has to be volenteers and if they charge for the service can end up with some problems. Apparently there are some persons being investigated at this time for charging. Which in my opinion is crap, if your doing a service for the goverment why in the heck wouldn't you charge for it. seems to work the oposite way quite readily(sorry bout the spelling,its late)
 
Welcome aboard Glenn. I hope Bic can sort this out. I regret that I can't be of much help - I certainly don't want to suggest anything 'illegal' - that would be awful wouldn't it?
 
More Clarification

Bic,
I knew that verifiers were supposed to be volunteers,when you wrote measurer I was not sure if there was something new I had missed.

Two reasons they are volunteers.The people that were needed to do the job had to be reasonably knowledgable so they had to be from the gun community,Most of us would not have accepted a gov't person and the whole idea of having to pay for a useless service ...well the Liberals were having enough trouble with there western and rural backbenchers.

The gov't gave verifiers immunity from liability if they made a mistake and the volunteer thing made that easier to defend legally.

Edison,
The Conservative party has pledged to recind the legislation if they form a gov't.They have to figure out how to get more MPs' in Ontario and a few in Quebec wouldn't hurt.
Canada is highly urbanized and most of those people have no base in the gun culture.The other thing is that there are only about 600 murders a year in Canada with a population of 34 million.100 of those happen in Toronto.The need to protect yourself is not as evident here.Glad to answer any questions.
 
Glen
My appoligises for miss leading you, I should have been clearer on that comment, thanks for explaining the back ground on the verifiers.
Bic
 
Bic

No apology necessary.I should be up to date on the laws.There's actually a small lesson there.As laws become more complicated the regulations change more often and a person can get caught on an honest mistake and break the law.

I am out of here till Monday.Going to end the season in Pennsylvania.
 
A barrel is a restricted part for export, so a US supplier would need an export license and the buyer would have to obtain and send the supplier an import license from his country.

Can a U.S. visitor to Canada simply carry a barrel across the border? Of course, but he could get in a heap of trouble if caught. The last time I crossed, the woman border guard asked me a half dozen times if I had any guns or ammunition; she was going ape and practically screaming at me. I didn't have any guns or ammo, but I guess I must have fit some kind of profile (FWM, maybe). Hunters going into Canada must have a paper showing they pre-registered their hunting guns; they can't do it at the border. No handguns of any kind, and some rifles and shotguns are banned as well.

BTW, I am told they will absolutely search cars with American NRA stickers or any outward indication of gun ownership. They will tear the car apart, even cutting upholstery and then, if they find nothing, they will tell the happy tourist to leave before they arrest him or her on general principles. Welcome to Canada!

As to Canadians fighting those laws, many tried, but I guess the Canadian gun groups have been simply too polite (an otherwise wonderful Canadian characteristic) to get down and dirty with the politicians.

I once asked a Brit why the British NRA didn't fight anti-gun laws. He said because they got some money from the government and Prince Charles was honorary head of the NRA and couldn't engage in politics. Whew! I guess I will never understand what it is like to have royalty.

Jim
 
586

Good-day folks
Well the gun is at the shop having a changeover. Located a 6" barrel at a store in Southern Ontario. From what I've been told is a reputable shop.
While its there is there any other work I should look at having done. I heard a fair bit of talk on trigger work. I'm not trying to spend money but if its in the shop should this be considered.
thanks ahead
Bic
 


Have the smith go over it and listen to him. I can't see doing anything that isn't needed unless it's easier to change with the barrel removed.



-tINY

 
586

Well its a done deal, and I'm a happy little camper. The 586 has a new 6" barrel. Paper work wasn't really as bad as I thought it would be, they walk you through things pretty well.
The barrel I ended up with is a target barrel with adjustable front sight. Two position. Man dose it bark, I just went out and brought some 38s and some 357 jacketed soft points (158gr.) I ran a few 38's through it, to get the feel of it, then went to the 357s, with the 6"barrel it was a pleasure to shoot, but the thing dose breath fire....all in all i'm very pleased, thanks to the folks that had offered assistance in the final deal. By the way the shop that did the work I would recommend in a heartbeat, for the Ontario folks.
later
 
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