586 problem (Canada)

Malamute
Good point,this was one option that I am presently looking at, I have a friend in Ohio who will be coming up in a month or so and I'll see what he says about bring up a barrel, he's a bit of a gun nut, so I'm sure he'll be more than willing, and its not like he's bringing a 4" up it will be a legal barrel so I can't see a problem.....I can't believe I just typed that....can't see a problem.........right...
 
"firearm"

how does Canada define "firearm"? In the US a barrel would not be a firearm for ATF purposes...so unless Canadian law presents a problem with a 5 inch barrel all by itself I really don't see the problem for the Ohoian to carry the thing up, drop it in the tool kit among the wrenches and sockets and drive on up.
 
Trespass
I could look it up for you if u like, but I think the key word that I was given was prohibited devise, this would also cover such things as silencers, high capacity clips,barrels under 4" etc. Just out of curiousity dose anyone have a ballpark figure at what a barrel probably 6" would be worth stateside.
thanks ahead Bic
 
Uh Oh.

I just looked in the Brownells cataog, and they don't show any 586 barrels other than a 6" nickel one. Gun Parts Company likely will have them. Try Smith&Wesson also. The price in Brownells is between $100 and $135 US for comparable barrels, and if wholesale or retail.

It may be worthwhile to see if you are allowed to send the gun to the factory to have a 6" barrel installed. Here in the states, we are allowed to send directly to, and receive directly from, the factory or a gunsmith when shipping guns for repair work. Smith may have a Canada service station also that may be able to do the work and have the part.

Another thing to consider, check with custom gunsmiths that build competition guns, they usually have take-off barrels around, and the going rate is usually half of retail price. I've bought several in the $65 range for different Smith&Wessons.
 
In the US a barrel would not be a firearm for ATF purposes...so unless Canadian law presents a problem with a 5 inch barrel all by itself I really don't see the problem for the Ohoian to carry the thing up, drop it in the tool kit among the wrenches and sockets and drive on up.
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That's a violation. Not of Canadian laws but of yours. Post 9/11 your government imposed a variety of restrictions on the export of gun parts and related items. Get caught taking a barrel out of your country without an export permit and you could find yourself getting up close and personal with a whole new set of friends at a Club Fed.

While we are at it, you might be interested to know that it is much easier for an American to bring a rifle or shotgun to Canada than vice versa. As a non-resident alien visiting the U.S. if I buy even a single round of ammunition without the right permit I could be in serious trouble under your laws.
 
Spiff, uh,...YES! that's right!




Hey, can you change this Canadian money for me into American?








Let me run to the bank and see how much Canadian they have.
 
586

PJR
Thanks for bringing that point up, that would have been a great favour to ask a friend, here is your barrel, now how about a 2,000 dollar bail bond.
Thanks gents for the diffrent ideas though, we'll get this figured out somehow.
 
A friend of mine has a compensator on the end of his 686. All you do is drill a hole in the lug, thread it and then the comp slips over the end of the barrel. It would easily add a quarter inch and, if silver soldered in place, would be considered a part of the barrel, much like we do with short barrel AR-15's here. Could that work for you?
 
586

Sgt127
That would be an option, I may have to look at if the barrel search dosn't pan out, I wonder if you can blue silver sodder??
Have I heard people mention something about target barrels etc. whats difference in these from a stock barrel, I would imagine the price for one thing. Could this be an option?
 
I sent a Dan Wesson barrel wrench to a friend on another board a few months ago. He had paid huge duties in the past for gun related parts and had need of a wrench.
On the customs declaration I called it a spanner wrench and it was a gift.
He's never received it and figures it was either lost by the post office or destroyed as a gun related item.

Good luck with it, I have a 586 in 4 inch and they are nice guns. I'm also a former Canadian and do cherish my gun rights here.
 
border

I've croseed the us/canada border a few times, not a great many...normally in the West (alb/sask) and I've never been searched or anything by either side...
normally it's "where do you live, where are you going, how long will you be here?" and that's it. not a big deal. you guys must cross someplace that is more like berlin's old brandenberg gate or something? I just can hardly imagine the 4 inch revolver barrel being a big deal to throw in the truck someplace and bring over and a 5 inch to bring back. wrap it in black tape, slip it over a wire under the hood someplace or something like that it's not a howitzer!
 
different

guess it's a cultural thing in part. here, in my part of the world we are still quite rural. the parts of canada I know are the much the same, not like being
in a "foreign" country much at all...and the notion a lousy pistol barrel stymies law-abiding grown men trying to make a weapon in canada LAWFUL there just amazes me! Our grandfathers would choke on such foolishness. I am not sure laws of this sort deserve respect...but rather a ghandi-like passive non-compliance. I'm liking Oklahoma and Texas more all the time! You guys figure it out...I'm gonna go shoot my AR and my 3 inch 357 and thank God I live along the Red River of the South!
 
tresspass:

Taking a 5" barrel out of the United States and into Canada doesn't violate Canadian laws. It violates AMERICAN laws unless you do the red tape tango with your State Department and the Canadian Government.

I agree the situation with the short barrels is foolish and non-compliance to the federal laws here is pretty wide spread.

But depending on the location, American laws can be equally foolish and in some cases more restrictive than Canada's.
 
hopeless?

so, was it determined there is no remedy and the gun gets forfeited to uncle?
I agree gun laws on both ends of our shared border can be peculiar...what I find most fascinating is that the laws seem to lose the point of their existence..for example..a law may be to prevent a terrorist from acquiring a bomb trigger..but in practice it stops a law-abiding canadian from acquiring the simple barrel that will render his pistol legal. Is a book called "the death of common sense" that discusses this issue in terms of laws and fine-tuning efforts in regulations that have ludicrous and unitended results. BUT, I still suspect that if you simply oprdered a barrel from numrich...and the barrel wrench from the brownell's catalog on page 144 of the current catalog..you could probably acquire the barrel. install it (use the kuhnhausen manual for instructions)..problem solved and all the legal techno-crap would just go away...surely both our people and your people have better stuff to do in efforts to enforce these laws against their intended targets? (I'd sure hope so!)...anyway, good luck...shame ottawa considers all of its citizens too dangerous to be trusted with a 4inch revolver! (who's zoomin' who?)
 
canada gun law site

went to canadian gun law web site and it appears 6 provinces, so far, have announced a WILL NOT PROSECUTE position for failure to register arms. (this may be a bit dated, I am not Canadian and don't keep up their problems much)
Yet, it does appear even the provincial governments recognize this as %^&$ when they see it. So, might check that out a little bit...it's just whatever your tolerable level of self-help and reliance on the provincial government may be I suppose. Pretty sure if I wanted to save the gun and could not just buy a lawful sized barrel in canada, I'd go to Montana or wherever next holiday, get me a barrel and the necessary tools,cross back into canada in alberta or other western province, go home and fix it myself and NOT register the silly thing, especially if in one of those provinces with this great attitude about the whole business. Just make it a kind of adventure with a goal. And, if in one of the other WILL PROSECUTE provinces, I'd start looking for a job in a more reasonable part of the country myself..look for a kind of a Canadian Texas or Montana if I could find it! Good luck.
 
586

I'll be making a few calls this week in a attempt to rectify this situation, and I'll let u know whats happening...could be good for a laugh.
The only other thing I can think of saying right now is ...God bless America.....
 
barrel

Here's where I'm at, buddy showed up with the 100 bucks and yes it did cost a few pints. Gunsmith called and says he has a 8.25inch barrel brand new. He somehow aquired a bunch of parts and the barrel was in the works.
Barrel is 195.00 and smithing is going to run 50.00. (Canadian eh)
Paperwork has to be sent to the CPFO in Orillia by the owner, to have gunsmithing done to change classification from prohibited to restricted. So he fills out a NOT (Notification to Transfer) from his residence to the smitty. The smitty then dose his thing and then I have to make application to transfer to have it transfered to the fella that confirms the barrel is now of legal length. Once he confirms that the barrel is of legal length I have it transfered to my name and residence. Oh yea, then the old barrel has to be brought to the local LEO station and have it destroyed, or bring it in destroyed.
Nothing to it..........Yikes!!!
 
I have already suggested a shroud. And Sgt127 suggested a compensator. Both of these solutions will work. Also they're cheap and reversable - why on earth don't you just do that? And another thing, don't try talking to the authorities or asking their advice or opinion - you will be wasting your life. Just stick the bit on 'til it's the legal length and be done with it.
Remember that they are the idiots not you.
 
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