586 problem (Canada)

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Bic

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A buddy of mine has a 586 .357 in a 4" barrel. He has it registered as a restricted weapon. I saw the gun 5-6 months ago beautiful shape and he asked the other day if I wanted to purchase it for 100.00 as he dosn't want it any longer, no use. Needless to say what my reply was. Payed him and started process for aquiring same.
I called the firearms center and they advised that the firearm is prohibited as it is registered as 102mm barrel. Which makes it prohibited. Has to have a barrel length of 106mm. diffrence of .25 inches. I argued that it is already registered as restricted and her reply was that she would have to have an official measurer attend and measure same. ( I wonder what the credentials for that job are, jeeze) bottom line is its a 4" barrel and has to be a 4.25".
My question is....what the hell is going on here....Help.

Is it possible it was measured improperly???
I will be going over today to see it again and take another look at it.
 
Glue a shroud on to it - yeah, I know it sounds dumb, but the laws are dumb. An extra half inch then report it (or have it measured) and you might be OK.
I'd love to know how you get on. Don't give up. ****wits need to be dealt with like ****wits!
 
Like Taco Bell's slogan- Run for the Border! And I thought things were bad in the Peoples Republic of Connecticut.
 
When you say it is "registered" is it registered under the new system or does it have the old Form 306 registration which is the green registration slip issued by the RCMP? A 4" 586 which was restricted under the old system would now be classed as prohibited.

You cannot buy this revolver unless you have a 12(6)Handgun endorsement on your PAL. To qualify for this you would have had to have continuously owned a gun with a barrel shorter than 105mm since February of 1995. (There were some recent changes to the legislation which may have moved the grandfathering clause to 1998 but they aren't fully implemented just yet.)

So in effect you're probably screwed. :mad:

The legislation pertaining to these guns was brought in with the intent of banning the importation of short "concealable" guns. It's profoundly stupid because my 4" Colt revolver is larger than my 1911 but when did government policy have to make any sense? :rolleyes:
 
PJR
I beleive he was sent a form by the RCMP or whoever to re:register the firearm. But the new registration still reads restricted. I can't believe even our goverment could be this ridiculous, how many 586's would this be affecting in the country. that now have to be destroyed....aaahhh now I understand.
I'm rather new to the revolver world, so bear with me while I ask a possibly very stupid question. Are these barrels pinned, and would a smitty be able to change the barrel. ok you can stop laughing now......
 
The barrels can be changed. You could either buy a new 6" barrel from Brownells or Smith&Wesson, or a used one from a gunsmith that has take-offs from doing competition work. (usually half of new price). They aren't hard to change usually, but you do need the right tools to avoid damaging the frame. Some Smith barrels are so tight you CAN damage the frame trying to change barrels.

Depending on how much it cost to get the barrel in-country for you, and how much it would cost for a gunsmith to do the change, you could still end up with a good deal.

I doubt it's pinned. The pinned ones are easier to change, as they are not as tight as the later ones from what I understand. I've changed a couple of smith barrels at home. The one I couldn't get loose was not pinned.
 
Bic:

If the 586 is registered under the new system as a restricted then the CFC has screwed up (this is a regular occurrence).

Your options would be to commence the transfer and see what happens. If the cert says restricted then that's what it is as far as the government is concerned no matter what the facts are. The second option would be as noted previously to rebarrel the gun.

The shorter barreled guns and the .25 and .32 calibres were not confiscated but grandfathered to those who owned them when the legislation was introduced. A 12(6) holder can buy and sell the prohibited handguns to another 12(6) holder. Because the number of buyers are limited it means this class of handgun goes for extremely low prices.
 
NO S&W L-frame guns are Pinned & Recessed. They were the first to be made without P&R, and it caused some loose barrels in early production.

The barrel change would have to be done by a genuinely good gunsmith with the right fixtures and knowledge.

You "friend" probably knows this and screwed you.

Canadians badly need the equivalent of the US NRA, and to realize that government isn't good for you, beyond a certain point. I know that these firearms regs are widely opposed in Canada, and that some Western provinces aren't enforcing them. But you're taking a chance if the gun isn't fully legal.

Lone Star
 


Makes me sick to think of destroying a nice pistol....

To bad Canadians don't have the right to arms (not sure about the states anymore, but it says we do).



-tINY

 
Just got off the phone with a reputable smithy and advised me of a route to go to get a barrel possibly. and have him change things over, however there are permits coming through with every call I make. permit from the owner to the gunshop then the barrel has to be turned into the authorities as just the barrel alone is now a prohibited device. This is acutally getting to be hilarious. Icalled the owner and he is returning the money tonight, he was amased at what hoops I was going through, so he would rather give me the 100 towards the barrel rather than have it melted down. It still could cost me a couple of pints tonight but thats the price of doing bussiness I guess.
This is turning into something like greenpeace "save the gun" no matter what has to be done. I'll keep you posted on how this is going. Could turn out to be a pile of typing the way things are going.
 
sell it south

bring it south and sell it to an american for $250. and try again.
AMERICANS...pay attention..this is what we're headed for if we aren't careful.
 
border

Why yes, that is a S/W .357 magnum Mr. Customs officer....But trespass said I could at least double my money cross the border. YIKES!!!
 
PJR
Being the wizard that I am, on this computor, just checking to see if you got my message.
Bic
 
Bic:

Got your message and sent one in return.

And as to the suggestion that we start bringing our short barreled revolvers south that is something that has crossed my mind. I could make a heck of a profit on 4" Pythons alone. You guys do not want to know what we can buy them for here.
 
How difficult is it for an American to bring (or send) just a barrel up? Is there duty or any particular restrictions for just a part?
 
border crossing

crossing border may not be that difficult. on the Canadian side try and act middle eastern and on the US side act Mexican...probably slide right over. Well, they won't let you keep it in Canada and you can't eat it...unless you need a light boat anchor or have a cousin in the RCMP who might be able to use the thing..what you gonna do with it? Would Canada put you in prison for carrying the thing OUT or the US put you in prison for hauling the thing IN? (assuming they even looked) For the Canadian Gov't seems like what they want..and for the US gov't it's a drop in a very big bucket. Heck, a US border guard might buy the thing from you! Oh well, as Shakespeare wrote.."the laws an ass".
 
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