.45 acp FMJ or .9mm Speer Gold Dot

On the other hand, the 45 ACP in FMJ is also a proven round. (Note that the 115 grain 9mm HP expands to about 45 caliber size often, but not all the time.
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I had to LOL at this one, and I am really not trying to be a ahole. The smallest one that I have seen (excluding ones that have hit steel or 4 layers of denim) measured around .600"-.650"; the largest I have seen is .937" and these aren't even +P rounds. More often than not, they expanded, uhmmm, quite larger than a normal round, but it was mostly on the bare gelatin shots. And the wound channels that the 115 gr Gold Dots produced were significantly larger than the .45 hardball; nasty, nasty wounds, and deep. Some also tended to turn in the wounds and act like a six-pointed saw blade and just keep on tearing it up.
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no brainer

Someone is threatening your life.
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That says it all right there. You use the first one you get your hands on. PERIOD!

Now, deciding which one to carry, for those "just in case I need it" times, I would always choose the proven gun over the unproven one. And in this case, it would be the 9mm you are used to, over the new .45 you are not.
 
.45 or 9mm?

A 230 grain bullet beats a 115-147 9mm round, all day long, period.
Buy something like a Glock 21 for example and you have simplicity at it's best. Easy and dependable with plenty of punch from a .45acp round.
Can't beat it.......
 
Happy to brighten your day.

wharsmahhummer said:
On the other hand, the 45 ACP in FMJ is also a proven round. (Note that the 115 grain 9mm HP expands to about 45 caliber size often, but not all the time
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I had to LOL at this one, and I am really not trying to be a ahole. The smallest one that I have seen (excluding ones that have hit steel or 4 layers of denim) measured around .600"-.650"; the largest I have seen is .937" and these aren't even +P rounds. More often than not, they expanded, uhmmm, quite larger than a normal round, but it was mostly on the bare gelatin shots. And the wound channels that the 115 gr Gold Dots produced were significantly larger than the .45 hardball; nasty, nasty wounds, and deep. Some also tended to turn in the wounds and act like a six-pointed saw blade and just keep on tearing it up.
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Nice pictures. Can you include a coin or a a brightly marked tape measure, or better yet, display those slugs on graph paper? Also, what kind of medium did those bullets expand in, velocity and range?

I am willing to be corrected. Usually I include a caveat in my posts that say in part, "Do your own independent, confirming research when ANYONE gives you new facts on the web."

Expansion, weight retention and all those factors enter into the EFFECTIVENESS of a round (as opposed to simply power, momentum, penetration or even wound channel diameter or volume).

If those 9mms you picture ALWAYS expand like that, I might have to rethink my preference for the .45. As it is, I have been looking at the 40 S&W for its effectiveness in social shootings and been impressed enough to consider a switch. I know there are always advances in metallurgy an other aspects of bullet design. If the 9mm could be made really, really reliable, I would want to know.

Tell me more. (or show links where I can research myself) and thanks.

Lost Sheep

(always happy to provide a chuckle, or belly laugh, whatever is good for you)

Remember, only believe half of what you see and one quarter of what you hear. That goes double for what you get from the internet. Even this post. Maybe especially this post.

Do your own independent, confirming research when ANYONE gives you new facts on the web.

Also remember, even the idiotic stuff might have a kernel of truth buried in there somewhere.
 
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