.45 acp FMJ or .9mm Speer Gold Dot

FMJ's have a dismal record in actual shootings in both 9mm and 45, JHP's of good design on the other hand have been proven to be much better self defense ammo in the 9mm than ball in a 45.

I would NEVER bet my life or my families safety on an untested gun or untested ammo in the gun.
 
someone up the page said a guy killed a holdup man with ball ammo? What caliber?
9x19mm. And he ended up shooting the guy something like seven times before he dropped him. A number of the shots were through and throughs. If there had been somebody behind hm, or if there hadn't been a steel door behind him, a bystander might have been killed or seriously wounded. A guy from my club ate at that pizza joint afterward (a bunch of people from NE Ohio have been eating there as a show of support) and saw the dents in the door.
 
If round count is 0 on the 45 then 9mm.But put 200 rounds of ball thru it and it would then become a question of which is closer to me:)
 
I'd grab the one closest to me...

Now time for my non sarcastic answer, I'd go with the one I'm most comfortable with.
 
You just bought a new .45 semi-auto and have NO defensive .45 rds yet. You have available a 9mm semi-auto loaded with Speer Gold Dots. You also have lot's of practice with the 9mm.

Skill is number one. Far more important than .45 .vs. 9mm. And since the person as lots of skill with the 9mm, well I don't care if it's Gold Dots or not, use the 9mm.
 
Some people say the only stupid question is the one you don't ask.

Others say that there is an exception to every rule.

No offense intended to the OP, but this almost seems like a baiting exercise. The answer is so obvious that I fail to see how anyone with a sound mind would ask a question like this, unless he was trolling.

If I am wrong, I apologise...I guess.

I would never choose an FMJ over a proven caliber JHP unless my only other choice was a pointy stick.
 
Nope.. I'm not trolling or baiting. I started shooting six months ago with a S&W .357 that was aquired thru a death in the family. I was hooked. In Nov. last year I aquired a Taurus 24/7 OSS DS chambered in 9mm. I love it but it's too big and heavy for me to CC. So I just bought a Taurus Millinnium Pro 745. It has the same mag release, safety, and slide latch as my 24/7 so I'm immediatly comfortable with handling the gun. My first six shoots where on target. I attribute that to it being so similar to the 24/7.

What I don't (didn't) know (since I'm a rather new shooter with no experience in dfferent ammo) is if the 9mm Gold Dot would compare with a .45 FMJ.

Simple as that.....

Oh.. And I certainly didn't expect the response the question drew....Thanks all for the comments. It just comfirms to me that this is all VERY personal and everyone has an opinion.
 
9mm vs 45

If you don't hit your target it dosen't matter. Under stress, patterned skill is everything. Get Ayoob Massad's book "Stressfire" and carry what you practice with.
 
I agree completely. That's why my .45 purchase was a Taurus which "matched" my 24/7

As far as caliber vs accuracy: I've seen enough on "Under Fire", "Police Shootouts", etc (TruTV cable) to convince me that placement is everything. These shows (similar to COPS but featuring shootouts) feature a man being unfazed by a .45 to the gut while a man lays dead from a .22 to the chest (heart). (Though I'm sure it took some time for the tiny chest wound to bleed out.)
 
Two separate questions

There are two questions here.

1) Do you use a firearm (whatever the caliber) with which you have practiced a lot and have proven that the magazines feed and the ammuntion feeds and the primers go off. That is, the weapon system is reliable. Secondly, you know how well you can hit with it and the 115 grain HP has a decent track record in social work.

2) Do you use the one with better effectiveness (terminal ballistics) of the bullet when it gets to the target.

Under the specified terms, the answers are different.

You specified that the particular 45 ACP is an unproven weapon and unfamilar to you with no track record of reliability or accuracy in your hands. That mandates the 9mm. The 115 grain hollowpoint is a decent round. That does not eliminate the 9mm.

On the other hand, the 45 ACP in FMJ is also a proven round. (Note that the 115 grain 9mm HP expands to about 45 caliber size often, but not all the time. The 45 ACP NEVER has been known to shrink down to 9mm size. The 45 ACP has approximateily 30 to 40% more energy than the 9mm and about 60% more momentum, twice the mass. In my mind, the 45 ACP is a far superior round. The 9mm does have an advantage in number or rounds in the magazine, ease of recoil control and is cheaper to practice with. So, if those are in your criteria, choose the 9.

When you care enough to send the very best --- .45 ACP. (Round head or dimpled, a 45 is never smaller than 45. and 230 grains is always twice the weight of 115 grains and a .45 has 60% more frontal area then the 9mm)

Just my two cents.

Lost Sheep.

P.S. by default, shoot what you know you can hit your target with. Between an unproven 45 and my Ruger Mk II, when clearing my house of strange noises in the night, I will take the one I know will go "bang" and be on target. Hard choice, but I recall reading another thread wherein a poster said "The two loudest noises you will ever hear is a gun going 'bang' when it should go 'click' and the second is a gun going 'click' when it should go 'bang'."
 
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Thanks to all who have commented.

Actually, the first weapon grabbed in my home would be my 12 ga shotgun. But I was thinking of a "bedroom intruder" situation, or such. I have both the .45 and 9mm (and .357) within reach of the bed now. It's just my wife and I so I don't have the fear of children getting hurt.
 
9x19mm. And he ended up shooting the guy something like seven times before he dropped him. A number of the shots were through and throughs. If there had been somebody behind hm, or if there hadn't been a steel door behind him, a bystander might have been killed or seriously wounded. A guy from my club ate at that pizza joint afterward (a bunch of people from NE Ohio have been eating there as a show of support) and saw the dents in the door.

9mm ball has always been know for over penteration 45 ball has a lot less over penteration problems 45 has more sectional densety (fatter) and slower Does not over penterate like 9mm ,380 ,or even 32 ball .
 
Carcass shots have proven to me the value of a 45 fmj over a 9mm hp. the 45 blows thru ribs to penetrate interior of the carcass, jhp stopped at the ribs, this was on a very large animal that died on the farm here. Use what you want, I will use 45 fmj.
 
Can anyone here link to a case of self-defense where the victim has fired a shot that went completely through the perp and left with enough energy, mass, and direction that it hit a bystander (much less killed him)?
 
The 230 gr. FMJ's are defensive loads.
+1
I can't usually get a wide variety of ammo so I use whatever .45's I can get my hands on as a defensive round.
 
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