.44 mag or .454 Casull ?

All I own is a .44, and the only time I shot a 454 I thought it was going to break my wrist...that said, if I was buying today I would DEFINATELY BUY THE 454 because I could shoot 45 LC (easier than a 44 mag) for fun and load up 454's when I was going after something bigger than paper. How can you not love that??:D
 
Ultima-Ratio

The Raging Bull uses simple ports, while the 460XVR has an expansion chamber compensator; the two function somewhat differently.

I'm sure you knew that, but I thought I'd explain it for bystanders. :)
 
do you shoot cowboy?

If you already stock 45 Colt ammo for cowboy action of nostalgia purposes, get the .454. If you collect .44s, go that route.

There's no question the .454 is more powerful than the .44, but I think both are more than enough gun for mere mortals.:D
 
Jim,

"The same" was a bad choice of words on my part. What I was trying to say was , that "if you are shooting a 44 Mag." and you want to step into "the range" of the 454, then you are going to have to chamber the 330 gr. Hammerhead. Again, only a few gun manufactures make a 44 Mag. that can chamber the Hammerhead...

Better ????
 
You used to shooting the big boys? 454 Casull? Go for it! We'll probably see another used gun on the maket in about 6 months with one box of ammo through it. :)
 
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Ultima ratio,
If you're refering to my comment, I would like to believe Garrett knows about the ammo he develops and Hodgdon actually tests the loads in thier reloading manuals. Tested data carries a lot more weight than internet opinions.

Jim
 
First, for hunting, Doug Wesson took nearly everything on this continent with a then new .357 Magnum back in the mid-thirties, as J. Edgar's new gun was being demonstrated. Of course, it's been de-rated a bit since then - don't expect Wally World to stock the ammo he used. Of course, .44 Special and .45 Colt are no slouches, fully capable for many large beasties. The up-rated .44 Special, the .44 Magnum, was to be the 'answer', as far as hunters were concerned, removing the need to hot-rod the .44 Special and .45 Colt, the cause of many a fine revolver being suddenly distributed in parts it never was assembled from.

I shot a friend's 29, with those big sticky laquered wood grips, with some homebrew .44 Magnums back in the mid-late 70's... it blistered & split my hand's web after three rounds. It was over a quarter century before I would pick up a .44 Magnum again - this time, it was a 629MG, which I bought 11/02, from which I was destined to shoot homebrew .44 Russians and Specials from - until my own .44 Magnum reloads a few years back. Gone, but replaced by both a 4" & 6" 629 sporting the excellent Hogue .500 Magnum monogrips, I now shoot .44 Magnums, too. They cover that steel backstrap!

My first DA revolver was chosen due to it's advanced metallurgy - and .45 Colt capability - an early 7.5" .454 Casull SRH. Of course, properly cleaned, I had to 'try' some real .454s... Hornady 240gr & 300gr were tried - then 260gr MagTechs - the same horrible problem... the shot brass needed serious help to extract. It was the gun and the soft brass, not the caliber. The RMS roughness of the Ruger SRH's chambers were not as fine as those of the Freedom Arms - and the soft brass was malleable enough to marry itself to said roughness by the pressures involved. By '02, all brass was harder, alleviating part of the problem. Polishing the SRH's chambers with Flitz helped, too. It would be a few years before I tried .44 Magnums again, but, make no mistake - the ergonomics of the stock-gripped SRH are far kinder than the standard, Hogue rubber or wood, S&W 29/629 ergonomics, rendering it's recoil more down your arm than a moment about your wrist, like the S&Ws. The .500 Magnum grips on my .44 M's reverses that - the 629 is then comfortable to shoot 'hot'. Still, for launching those Hornady 240gr XTPs, which I chrono-ed at 1985-2020 fps, that SRH was a shocker - 1.5" 5-shot (I am cheap...) groups scoped (Weaver H2 2x28) from burnt sand bags at 50yd. That's 2,130 ft-lb - pretty serious. My greatest use in it's last year here was with .45 Colt +P-ish loads (250gr LRNFP/255gr LSWC ~900-950 fps) - in .454 brass, with small pistol (Should be small rifle!) primers. All day shooter... but so is my 629 with 240gr LSWC @ 900 fps in .44 Magnum brass. Making your own ammo has it's advantages.

What would I do today, if I had to depend on local ammo sources? No question, a 629 .44 Magnum - and that $35 Hogue .500 Magnum grip (From S&W.). Wally World carries .44 Magnum - Academy even carries some .44 Special. Try to find Cowboy loads in .45 Colt, much less .454 Casull.

Stainz
 
44 Mag. or 454?

The 44 Mag is the limit to the fun I'm willing to have with a handgun!!!:eek: It's recoil is all I'm willing to put up with. :o But I have taken several Mule Deer with mine and have yet to recover a bullet. Opps, I did recover one factory Rem 240 gr. from the ham of a medium size mule deer. After about 3 ft. of tralvel thru it from front to back. All others have been comlpete pass thru's. What more could a guy want from a handgun???:confused:
As for the 454, well the cost of ammo is a BIG consideration for me! That and the recoil take if off my FUN list. I guess I just don't see the need for anything "Bigger, Or Badder" than my 44 mags. I don't hunt Dangerous things with my handguns, so the 44 fills the need for me.
 
I believe that the 44 magnum is just about the most "handgun" a normal person can handle. You have to build up to the bigger caliber handguns in my opinion or they can be a bit overwhelming in the recol department. Nothing wrong with the 454 Casull caliber, it is just a lot more than a 44 mag. If I didn't own a Ruger 480 SRH, I'd probably have bought a 454 or 500 S&W by now. The 480 is more than I want to handle on a regular basis and the gun writers call it "managable" or something like that. But when funds allow, I intend to buy a revolver in 475 Linebaugh for the fun of it. It was actually first on my want list at Christmas, but I have been buying 22 rifles, so it will have to wait.
 
I think you have to ask yourself a couple questions.
1) Will you use it (the 454) strictly for hunting? If so, ok.
2) Do you want to shoot it for enjoyment? Don't shoot the 454 (although you can shoot 45's in the 454 and they are enjoyable to shoot).
3) The 44mag is a great hunting gun and fun gun with mellow 44mag loads and 44 spcl loads.
 
The 454 is the handgun for the reloader or the hunter of dangerous big game. If you reload it can be a ball to shoot with loads from cowboy 45 colt up. If you want to hunt game such as deer, I suggest that you reload also, as most factory loaded 454 is for dangerous big game. The cost of a box of 454 is also very high so again reload it. For the average person, I would say a 44 is really more then is needed for deer etc.
 
I bet when they do a remake (and you know they will), he is carry something bigger than a .44 Mag

I bet not.

The villian will carry a Smith X-Frame snubby in .460 or .500 or a Desert Eagle in .50AE, and ol' Harry will still have his model 29, pinned and recessed, sans lock. From which he only shoots .44 specials, but somehow thinks the "magnum" label on the side of the gun imparts magical capacity to dismember body parts.:rolleyes:

Maybe the villian will even have a lock malfunction.

I'd actually recommend to someone in this conundrum (.44mag versus .454) to consider one of two different choices:
1. Dan Wesson .445 supermagnum. The .445 supermagnum cartridge is every bit as potent as the .454 cartridge. But, the same gun can shoot .44 russian, .44 special, .44 magnum and .445 supermagnum. Dan Wesson is currently the only maker of a double action .445, but I think you can get a Magnum Research BFR revolver in the same caliber, although single action.
2. .475 Linebaugh. You can get a Freedom Arms or Magnum Research BFR, or get a Ruger Redhawk converted by Bowen Arms (if you want a DA .475). The .475 chambering also allows you to shoot it's "special" counterpart, the .480 Ruger cartridge. I've shot a .480 several times and really liked it... felt identical to a .44 magnum. But, with the .475 up-chambering, you have the option to shoot something even more potent than the .454, but still more pleasant (if that term can apply to 2000+ ft/lbs). .480 and .475 are considerably lower pressure, but fling heavier projectiles. This means more bone crushing and more penetration.

Frankly, if I ever get anything larger than a .44 magnum, it would be a .475. I'd convert a used 7.5" Redhawk or Super Redhawk (depending on which grip you prefer) into a 5-shot Bowen custom. I've shot a .454 several times, and just never cared for it each time I did so.
 
Here's the way I see it, the .454 is a very purpose specific cartridge. If you are a dedicated handgun hunter or long-range silhouette shooter then the .454 may be worth a look. If you're like the rest of us, then the .44 Magnum would probably be the better option. Revolver chambered in .44 Magnum can be had in significantly smaller, lighter, and sleeker packages than those chambered in .454 Casull. The .44 Magnum has much less recoil but will still do 99% of what needs done with a handgun. Finally, the .44 has the advantage of easier to find and less expensive ammo (although none of it is cheap anymore). Personally, if I really need more than what the .44 Magnum can deliver I'll step up to a rifle or shotgun rather than a larger handgun. I do see merit to the .454, however, when chambered in a lever action rifle.
 
It depends a LOT on the handgun you're shooting it from.

My Raging Bull has very mild recoil, even with .454 casull. It almost seems like some of my smaller .45 acp handguns have worse recoil. Of course, the Raging Bull has a longer barrel, is vented, and weighs quite a bit more...
I would only make comparisons of each round in similar sized platforms. I would not compare a 2" barrel 21oz .44mag to a 6" barrel 30oz .454...it would not be a fair comparison.

If you shoot both rounds out of a similar platform (say both versions of the Ruger Alaskan) the .44mag will be easier to control.
 
I would only make comparisons of each round in similar sized platforms. I would not compare a 2" barrel 21oz .44mag to a 6" barrel 30oz .454...it would not be a fair comparison.

If you shoot both rounds out of a similar platform (say both versions of the Ruger Alaskan) the .44mag will be easier to control.

Of course!

My statement was simply that recoil from a .454 Casull is not always brutal. It certainly is with some, or even most revolvers. However, with my Raging Bull, I was pleasantly surprised. I've shot several .44 Magnums with worse recoil.
 
It would be real interesting to know which of you making these comments actually own a 44 mag, 454 casull or 460 magnum (or just shot one once!). I have the 460V and it is a heavy gun and does not have uncontrollable recoil for shooting anything, but the heaviest 460 loads - The compensator appears to work well combined with the weight of the gun without any problem for me. Furthermore, follow up shots aren't like one would expect in a self defense situation, but I can get two shots off pretty quick and with enough accuracy to hit my intended target.
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It would be real interesting to know which of you making these comments actually own a 44 mag, 454 casull or 460 magnum (or just shot one once!).
I own several .44mags and have shot multiple .454casull revolvers.

I have the .44mag Alsakan because it was butter compared to the .454 version and I have the .44mag Ruger SBH hunter which is a piece of cake to shoot when compared to the .454 Raging Bull and others.

I will have to add that my .44mag Ruger SBH w 4.7" barrel is more punishing than the .454's I have shot.
 
Young whipper snappers. I was around before there even was a 454, and, got one of the first guns designed to shoot 454 level loads, in a sixgun. It's actually number 25:
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The original reason was some of us felt we needed more then a .44 magnum for dangerous game. There is a place for carrying a backup gun that is capable of stopping big dangerous game, be it brown bear, cape buffalo, lion, etc.
The .454 was as big as you could put in a 6 gun at that point, and still carry the gun without horses and a cart to pull it. I've got 25 pages of letters to and from John Linebaugh, discussing gun designs. I've talked to Ross Seyfried for 45 minutes about the in's and outs of hunting a cape buffalo with a .45 Seville, identical to mine, except for the sites and barrel band. In fact, Linebaugh originally claimed this gun was Ross Seyfrieds, one of a pair.

The beauty of the .454 is it's just idling at 260 grain bullets at 1200 fps, which is pretty much all you'd need in the 48. It will also shoot 325-350's at 1350-1550, which does a pretty good job on just about any big game, hunting wise. I will say that 325's at 1350 fps, with a plow handle grip, are the limit for me. I liked this gun with 260's at 1450 fps much more, and, that load, with a Sierra or Speer HP, has proven VERY effective culling black bear.

I guess what I'm getting at is the 454 is fun to shoot, provided you don't go for the Casull pressures, of 60k.

Keep it at 44 magnum pressures, and, it recoils much like a 44 magnum.

I will say that the 44 magnum up requires grips, and a gun, that fits YOUR hand. Too small a grip, can't shootem if you have big hands, and vice versa. The grips on the Seville above were custom made by Jack Huntington, who happens to have the same size hands I do. They make a WORLD of difference. My point is, everyone's perception of
both calibers is going to be severely affected by if the gun fits them or not.

So, your question should really be who here owns a custom gun, with grips that are fitted for their hands, in either caliber? This is NOT the case of one size fits all.

I owned the above gun from about 1980 till 2005. I sold it because it was getting to be too valuable to shoot, and, someone really wanted it. He now shoots loads inbetween 45 Colt, and 454, and has 6 shots...
 
.44 magnum is more than good enough. Heck, for me, .45 Colt with decent handloads in my Vaquero leaves nothing more potent that I would care to shoot. 255 grain hand cast @ 1200 is plenty. I've run 'em hotter but not anymore. Why ruin the fun? How much power do you really need? Those really hot loads lose their charm after a while. My brother had a .378 Weatherby years ago. He offered to let me shoot it. I declined and I'll never regret it.
 
Socrates - Thanks for sharing the pics and the knowledge. Only way us "whipper-snappers" can learn :D

I really enjoy my .460 with .460 ammo, but the .454 ammo available locally I do not like. Reloading to start soon, so I am sure I will be able to find a load I like, especially using some of your thoughts to start out.
 
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