My whole goal in all of this is when my kids start hunting on their own I can sit at the Cabin and drink beer and run the BBQ pit all the while watching the lower wheat field. If a big one walks out I just wanna be able to make the shot with minimal correction. I have the mark AR leupold scope so I guess I could just get leupold to build a knob to fit my load and then dial it in. Yep I'm getting lazy and old! LOL!
.308 Popularity????
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I have a range set up now with silhouettes in 100 yd increments and can hit them now. The field where they would come out would be around 425 at the most.
It's nice to know some people think that just because someone drinks a few beers they are gonna automatically do something stupid and reckless!
It's nice to know some people think that just because someone drinks a few beers they are gonna automatically do something stupid and reckless!
4runnerman
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Where the .308 really stops at 190
Blackoops-The 308 will shoot a 190 very very well. Some people will shoot a 200 or 220. The reason 168 and 175 are so popular is bench shooting. A 175 is only mid range in bullet weight for a 308. The reason 190's and up are not shot often is purley recoil and being able to get back on target fast enough for comp shooting. I read a article not long ago that states the 190 is actually the best weight bullet for a 308.
As for another post on not shooting the barrel out of a 308 in 10 years or so. I got mine last year and have put 2800 rounds down it in one summer. Barrel life was one of the reasons i went with a 308.
One Article here
As both a Firearms Dealer and Long Range Rifle Team Competitor, I would recommend the 308 caliber as the "perfect" round. The 308 offers the most impressive numbers of bullet styles and weights, but is the most popular competetion ammunition used today.95% of the professional competitors shoot 308's and all you would have to do is witness a competition and you would notice this fact almost immediately. The 308 is an incredibly accurate round and is the round still used most often by Law Enforcement and the Military in special operations situations......
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Gunsmith/Gun Shop Owner-Dealer
Firearms Appraiser/Military Firearms Collector
NRA Life Member /35 Years Firearms & Hunting/Shooting Experience
Also this article
To answer the question posed by the title: What‟s wrong with .30 caliber? I offer the following explanations:
Lack of legitimate „heavyweight‟ (~230 grain class) .30 caliber bullets.
The bullets that are in the „heavyweight‟ class for .30 caliber have higher drag profiles than the heavy bullets in smaller calibers.
Most .30 caliber long range shooters use 190 – 210 grain bullets, thinking that‟s „heavy enough‟, when that‟s actually a „middleweight‟ bullet for .30 caliber. These „middleweight‟ bullets, even from .30 cal magnums, will tend to suffer more wind deflection (if only slightly) when compared to the „heavyweight‟ 6.5mm and 7mm offerings.
The energy (powder) required to propel a truly „heavy‟ .30 caliber bullet to reasonable speeds produces recoil that‟s considered prohibitive for most applications, except maybe unlimited class Benchrest where rifles have no weight restriction
Blackoops-The 308 will shoot a 190 very very well. Some people will shoot a 200 or 220. The reason 168 and 175 are so popular is bench shooting. A 175 is only mid range in bullet weight for a 308. The reason 190's and up are not shot often is purley recoil and being able to get back on target fast enough for comp shooting. I read a article not long ago that states the 190 is actually the best weight bullet for a 308.
As for another post on not shooting the barrel out of a 308 in 10 years or so. I got mine last year and have put 2800 rounds down it in one summer. Barrel life was one of the reasons i went with a 308.
One Article here
As both a Firearms Dealer and Long Range Rifle Team Competitor, I would recommend the 308 caliber as the "perfect" round. The 308 offers the most impressive numbers of bullet styles and weights, but is the most popular competetion ammunition used today.95% of the professional competitors shoot 308's and all you would have to do is witness a competition and you would notice this fact almost immediately. The 308 is an incredibly accurate round and is the round still used most often by Law Enforcement and the Military in special operations situations......
Source(s):
Gunsmith/Gun Shop Owner-Dealer
Firearms Appraiser/Military Firearms Collector
NRA Life Member /35 Years Firearms & Hunting/Shooting Experience
Also this article
To answer the question posed by the title: What‟s wrong with .30 caliber? I offer the following explanations:
Lack of legitimate „heavyweight‟ (~230 grain class) .30 caliber bullets.
The bullets that are in the „heavyweight‟ class for .30 caliber have higher drag profiles than the heavy bullets in smaller calibers.
Most .30 caliber long range shooters use 190 – 210 grain bullets, thinking that‟s „heavy enough‟, when that‟s actually a „middleweight‟ bullet for .30 caliber. These „middleweight‟ bullets, even from .30 cal magnums, will tend to suffer more wind deflection (if only slightly) when compared to the „heavyweight‟ 6.5mm and 7mm offerings.
The energy (powder) required to propel a truly „heavy‟ .30 caliber bullet to reasonable speeds produces recoil that‟s considered prohibitive for most applications, except maybe unlimited class Benchrest where rifles have no weight restriction
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Might have should've added IMO. I love the 190+ the .30 caliber bullet really doesn't hit it's stride till you get to the 200+ grain bullets. But that being said i'm not willing to sacrifice that much velocity. And IMO they can't be run at good enough velocity to compete with the 175/155.
The second article you quoted is from brian litz is it not?
The second article you quoted is from brian litz is it not?
.308 is a superb and proven round.
But if you're after long range ballistics and don't want to shoot it a lot and worry about throat erosion the magnums are 'easier' because they are faster and flatter.
It really depends on what you want out of a high-powered rifle. Target shooting? Avoid the magnums. Hunting? Worth considering magnums as you'll probably fire 20 rounds a year. 5 to sight in, 10 for fun, and 5 on game.
But if you're after long range ballistics and don't want to shoot it a lot and worry about throat erosion the magnums are 'easier' because they are faster and flatter.
It really depends on what you want out of a high-powered rifle. Target shooting? Avoid the magnums. Hunting? Worth considering magnums as you'll probably fire 20 rounds a year. 5 to sight in, 10 for fun, and 5 on game.
4runnerman
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Right you are Blackops. I have not shot the 190 yet,but im thinking this summer about giving it a try for sure. So far the 175;s are perfoming very very nice for me.
I hate cheap factory ammo, unless you are shooting your own reloads exceptional accuracy will never be achived. So as far as cost of factory ammo, who cares, it is just cheaper to reload for rifle at least.
I have a ton of old .308 casses, no rifle, no dies and every now and then I think I want to get something to shoot them in and then I look around at what I have and tell myself, what a wast of money.
The only thing that makes sense for a .308 would be a M1A or M-14 then it would make sense, but a bolt in .308??? Not in this world, my 243 can out shoot it. My 270 or 30-06 can out hunt it. So untill a Cetme or G-3 falls into my lap the cases will just collect dust in the bin.
Jim
4runnerman
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Are y'all using a 1/12 twist with the 190gr rounds?
No 1/10. I don't thin a 1/12 would be good with that heavy of a bullet.
No 1/10. I don't thin a 1/12 would be good with that heavy of a bullet.
4runnerman
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my 243 can out shoot it. My 270 or 30-06 can out hunt it.
Jim--Come on now.Do you really belive that?
. Your 243 is no better than a 308. And most definetly will not out shoot one.
As posted other places any cartridge can be made to shoot accurate. while a 243 is a great rifle ( IMHO ) it is a large Varmint rifle. As to the rest of your post on 270 and 30-06,,Yes in a certain aspect it is. At the range most people hunt ( 100 to 300 yards) there is little difference. I started Comp last year and have yet to see a single 243 out there yet. Im just saying ???
Jim--Come on now.Do you really belive that?
. Your 243 is no better than a 308. And most definetly will not out shoot one.As posted other places any cartridge can be made to shoot accurate. while a 243 is a great rifle ( IMHO ) it is a large Varmint rifle. As to the rest of your post on 270 and 30-06,,Yes in a certain aspect it is. At the range most people hunt ( 100 to 300 yards) there is little difference. I started Comp last year and have yet to see a single 243 out there yet. Im just saying ???
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As much as i love the .308 4runner, thats just flat out wrong. The .243 stomps the .308 in comp. Hell beats the 6.5s out to. .243 running 115gr DTACs at 3000fps, 7.6 Mils in elevation and supersonic to 1300. . the .308 doesn't really hold a candle to any of the 6s or 6.5s honestly.
http://www.6mmbr.com/243Win.html
http://www.6mmbr.com/243Win.html
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4runnerman
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All might be true Blackops,But the deal is NO ONE uses it in comp shooting.Why is that if it is such a great set-up?. I have shot a few 243 and while it is a great rifle it fails in comparision to my 308.
What comps are you referring to? .243, 6XC, 6x47L, 6BR, 6 Dasher, etc. are being used throughout the nation in comps. F class has plenty of .243s and 6mm calibers. Plenty of people run .243s in snipers hide cup and practical long range matches. Just because it's not used in your comp doesn't mean it's not used competitively.
And those people that are reluctant to move to better ballistics are either stubborn, resistible to change, or just love their .308 and like the barrel life.
The .243 and .260 are better ballistically than the .308 by a pretty big margin. Inherent accuracy isn't judged on the rifle caliber alone. There are plenty of .243s that will shoot just as good if not better than my or your .308. Accuracy lies in the shooter, the gun is almost always willing.
And those people that are reluctant to move to better ballistics are either stubborn, resistible to change, or just love their .308 and like the barrel life.
The .243 and .260 are better ballistically than the .308 by a pretty big margin. Inherent accuracy isn't judged on the rifle caliber alone. There are plenty of .243s that will shoot just as good if not better than my or your .308. Accuracy lies in the shooter, the gun is almost always willing.
4runnerman
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I shoot Bench rest here im Minnesota. I have a friend that shoots F-Class. No 243's to be found in eiither class. Why-- I don't ask. Lot's of 6.5 and 6MM's,but no 243's
4runnerman
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I chose it because it came very highly recomended by some of the top shooters here. The one i was going for was a 6MMBR by Savage. short barrel life as with all the 6mm's and 6.5's. Our farthest we shoot in comp here is 600 yards,which is childs play for a 308. I am still looking at a 6MMBR,but i shoot to much and would shoot barrel out in one year