30-30 to .308 difference?
- Thread starter KW Gary M
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What are you gonna do with it? As a hunting rifle 308 is best on deer and larger game. If you're never gonna hunt anything larger than deer a 243 is more than enough. Ammo is about equally available for both. On paper a 308 has more recoil than 30-30, but most lever action 30-30's have stocks designed in the 19th century that do a poor job of handling recoil. A modern 21st century bolt rifle design in 308 will probably FEEL about the same or probably less than a 30-30. A 243 will easily take any deer in North America and is borderline acceptable for game up to elk. Recoil is far less than either 30-30 or 308.
If you're just gonna punch paper a 223 is all you need. While it isn't my 1st choice it is very effective on deer and hogs if ammo is chosen carefully.
That is pretty conservative. A 308 round in 2015 is about 200 fps faster than a 30-06 round from the 1950's, with factory loaded ammo. Combine that with todays more aerodynamic bullets and a modern 308 is 400 fps or so faster at 350 yards than 30-06 from the 1950's. If the shooter is capable, a 308 with factory loads is a 500 yard deer round. With the better hand loads it'll maintain 1500 ft lbs of energy out to 600 yards, 1000 ft lbs to over 900 yards.
If you're just gonna punch paper a 223 is all you need. While it isn't my 1st choice it is very effective on deer and hogs if ammo is chosen carefully.
That is pretty conservative. A 308 round in 2015 is about 200 fps faster than a 30-06 round from the 1950's, with factory loaded ammo. Combine that with todays more aerodynamic bullets and a modern 308 is 400 fps or so faster at 350 yards than 30-06 from the 1950's. If the shooter is capable, a 308 with factory loads is a 500 yard deer round. With the better hand loads it'll maintain 1500 ft lbs of energy out to 600 yards, 1000 ft lbs to over 900 yards.
Post 20 says:
More woods oriented but still heavy barrel and heavy to carry (10 lbs roughly) is the Cabala only 10T. Comes only in 308 and 24 inch barrel, (box magazine, rails scope or sight mount, nice stock) A better woods gun but not as handy as a short lever action for brush work or a lot of carry9ing.
I can't seem to find any information on these rifles and have never heard of them. Are there any on line sales sites where I can price them?
More woods oriented but still heavy barrel and heavy to carry (10 lbs roughly) is the Cabala only 10T. Comes only in 308 and 24 inch barrel, (box magazine, rails scope or sight mount, nice stock) A better woods gun but not as handy as a short lever action for brush work or a lot of carry9ing.
I can't seem to find any information on these rifles and have never heard of them. Are there any on line sales sites where I can price them?
Post 17 says:
Hunting and target shooting are two totally different discussions.
A Savage Axis II is an entry level hunting rifle. Great for hunting. Not so much for formal target shooting.
I will most likely do a lot more target shooting than hunting but would like the rifle to be a capable hunting rifle too. The main thing that attracts me to the Axis II is the price. Then Savage's reputation and the fact that it comes with a scope and the Accutrigger. Is there a rifle better suited for my intended ust than the Axis II? I will be buying it in the next few days as a Christmas Gift to myself. I would have bought the Axis II today but Bass Pro was out.
Another Savage I see at Gander Mountain is the 93R XP. The only difference I see between this rifle and the AXIS II is one is Camo and holds 5+1 and one is black and holds 4+1. Is there more that I don't see?
http://www.gandermountain.com/modpe...mfire-Rifle-Package&i=417356&r=view&from=grid
http://www.gandermountain.com/modpe...rfire-Rifle-Package&i=782461&r=view&from=grid
Hunting and target shooting are two totally different discussions.
A Savage Axis II is an entry level hunting rifle. Great for hunting. Not so much for formal target shooting.
I will most likely do a lot more target shooting than hunting but would like the rifle to be a capable hunting rifle too. The main thing that attracts me to the Axis II is the price. Then Savage's reputation and the fact that it comes with a scope and the Accutrigger. Is there a rifle better suited for my intended ust than the Axis II? I will be buying it in the next few days as a Christmas Gift to myself. I would have bought the Axis II today but Bass Pro was out.
Another Savage I see at Gander Mountain is the 93R XP. The only difference I see between this rifle and the AXIS II is one is Camo and holds 5+1 and one is black and holds 4+1. Is there more that I don't see?
http://www.gandermountain.com/modpe...mfire-Rifle-Package&i=417356&r=view&from=grid
http://www.gandermountain.com/modpe...rfire-Rifle-Package&i=782461&r=view&from=grid
Blindstitch
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That 93r XP is the wrong gun. That is 17hmr. You don't want that for the purposes you stated. That's a small caliber gun rated for small game.
The other one is just fine.
Yes there are better guns out there but in your price range the savage will do everything you want. If you were going to throw several thousand at this then guys would suggest differently. In the long run the gun is only as accurate as the shooter.
The other one is just fine.
Yes there are better guns out there but in your price range the savage will do everything you want. If you were going to throw several thousand at this then guys would suggest differently. In the long run the gun is only as accurate as the shooter.
Unlicensed Dremel
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.300 "maggies" > .30-'06 > .308 Win > .300 Savage > .303 Brit > .30-40 Krag > .30-30 Win > 7.62x39mm Russian.
I have a bolt action 30-30 and its very accurate out as far as I have shot it, 250yds.
The felt recoil of my bolt 30-30(Savage) is about the same as my .223(Ruger American Standard) whereas my .308 bolt gun(Ruger American Standard) has just slightly less recoil than my 30-06(Ruger American Standard)
Orange to apples to apples but still a good comparison. I can't really add anything else to this thread though.
The felt recoil of my bolt 30-30(Savage) is about the same as my .223(Ruger American Standard) whereas my .308 bolt gun(Ruger American Standard) has just slightly less recoil than my 30-06(Ruger American Standard)
Orange to apples to apples but still a good comparison. I can't really add anything else to this thread though.
KW Gary said:
"Cabala only" should have been Cabela's Only:
http://www.cabelas.com/product/shoo...el-10t-tactical-bolt-action-rifle/1695199.uts
Stillhunter
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I,m confused
I come up with 15% increase at muzzle and 37% increase at 400 yds.
But what do I know,they kicked me out of 4th grade when I turned 18.
bamaranger
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While we're at it.
How 'bout a bit of history.
The 30-30, or .30WCF as it is sometimes called, is a turn of the century (1890's) rimmed cartridge first introduced in the famous Win 94 lever rifle/carbine. It was the first smokeless hunting cartridge, featuring high velocity for its day, and was very popular up into the 1900's and beyond. I would type it a moderate powered round, driving .30 caliber slugs of 150-170 grs or so, about 2400-2100 fps as noted.
The .308Win, also often referred to as the 7.62x51mm, is a relatively modern high intensity cartridge developed post WWII, in the 1950's, as a battle rifle cartridge for the US military. Its ballistics are near equals to the vaunted .30-'06, but obtained from a shorter case at slightly higer pressure (I think). The .308 drives .30 slugs of about 150-180 grains at 2800-2600 fps. I believe Winchester first introduced it in the M88 lever and M100 auto rifles, and shortly thereafter the M70 bolt, in the late 1950's.
How 'bout a bit of history.
The 30-30, or .30WCF as it is sometimes called, is a turn of the century (1890's) rimmed cartridge first introduced in the famous Win 94 lever rifle/carbine. It was the first smokeless hunting cartridge, featuring high velocity for its day, and was very popular up into the 1900's and beyond. I would type it a moderate powered round, driving .30 caliber slugs of 150-170 grs or so, about 2400-2100 fps as noted.
The .308Win, also often referred to as the 7.62x51mm, is a relatively modern high intensity cartridge developed post WWII, in the 1950's, as a battle rifle cartridge for the US military. Its ballistics are near equals to the vaunted .30-'06, but obtained from a shorter case at slightly higer pressure (I think). The .308 drives .30 slugs of about 150-180 grains at 2800-2600 fps. I believe Winchester first introduced it in the M88 lever and M100 auto rifles, and shortly thereafter the M70 bolt, in the late 1950's.
If by ">" you mean "more raw power", then that'd be (arguably, depending upon what pressures you load the Savage and .303 to) correct......
...... Sometimes, "more" does not equal "better".
If you are killing bambi with the intention of eating him, then there's a whole lot of overkill involved with any of the magnums .....
Unlicensed Dremel
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Yeah, I just meant "more power" not "better" by the shorthand ">", so I agree. I don't like .300 magnums at all, and have a .30-30 and .35 Rem rifle myself (not to mention being a huge fan of .243 win, .260 rem, .223 rem, etc). "Just the right amount" of power beats "too much" power in my book.
My "big" deer / pig / blackie rifle is in .280 rem, and my elk/moose rifle is a .30-'06 (that's plenty "magnum" for me).
My "big" deer / pig / blackie rifle is in .280 rem, and my elk/moose rifle is a .30-'06 (that's plenty "magnum" for me).
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