30-06 Bolt opening problem

While it is unusual, the headstamp actually can be an issue. Most 30-06's today weigh between 180-198 grains, but some ancient Peters cases weighed 215 grains, and it's possible some modern foreign manufacture is like that. I've seen some very heavy South African cases in 223 and cases from former Soviet Block countries in 308 that have very heavy sidewalls starting at about mid-body and down.

Winchester .30-06 cases tend to be on the light end of the spectrum, and I've got examples produced at different times that were 180, 185, or 189 grains, but on the lighter end of the spectrum on average. I mention this because the Hodgdon 30-06 data is developed in Winchester cases, so it can't be counted on to be certain to be safe in very heavy cases.

All that said, weight alone doesn't tell the tale. You need the head dimensions and the alloy used to get more exact. The best thing is to measure inside water weight capacity of the fired cases to see if non-standard design could be an issue.

It sounds from the symptoms like the most likely cause is accidental overcharge. I say this because you have both a primer that apparently looks different from the others and a sticky case extraction. The latter occurs because the steel stretched beyond the yield point of the brass, so that when the steel returned to original size elastically, that brass was now bigger than the original chamber size. That's why it gets trapped a little like an unlubricated case stuck in a sizing die. Once removed, though, I would expect a snug fit going back into the chamber. That's the only part that doesn't fit. Indeed, if it weren't for the primer crater being unique to this round, I would be looking for some other sticking mechanism other than overpressure. But having the two symptoms together says the pressure was high.

While overcharging is the most likely cause, other things can happen. I once had a once-fired (by me) Lake City .30-06 case that felt too heavy when I was trimming, so I weighed it and found it was about 35 grains heavier than was normal for the others. I shined a flashlight down into it and it looked normal except being maybe a little extra dark down near the head. But that was funny enough that I went in with a dental pick to feel around, and the dark spot turned out to be a 35 grain slug of lead bullet core that the pick popped loose. Apparently that piece of core got into the case at the factory. I didn't notice any odd sounds or recoil, but when I got pressure test equipment years later, it turned out this lot of ammo ran at about 48,000 psi, so it had some room for an internal space error like this.

It's not likely you've got a lead slug, but range foundlings, if it was such, often have debris in them. I've found insect nests stuck inside before, and stuck hard enough that it took more than vibratory cleaning to remove them.
 
I would check to make sure all cases are sized to the full stroke. In you fail to go to full stroke the shoulder may not be pushed back to fit freely in to chamber.

I believe a .002-.003 would be plenty of set back for the bolt actions.

Also make sure your cases are trimmed to proper length.

Make sure cases and chambers are clean.

I suspect that the bolt face may have scared the head stamp with a round scratch.

Rounds should freely drop into the chamber to full depth.
 
and, why are we talking about Rem semi autos, anyway?
While they do have the issues mentioned, I see No mention of them in the OP...
The O.P. did not specify which Remington he was referring to, either bolt or auto, so it could have been one of the autos...no reason to think it was a bolt action either.
 
The OP has furnished sufficient information to identify the Remington as a bolt rifle. Note the reference on his list, number 2, to easy bolt lift but difficult extraction. I've had identical symptoms with a .458 Win mag, Rem model 700 but the cause was very unusual and I'm sure not related to this situation.
 
44AMP,

I did compare the cratered case with the others. The only difference is the cratered primer. The primer was not pushed out of the pocket to any degree.
 
All,

Many comments center around pressure. I've attached a photo I found on the internet of unknown case caliber. Mine would look something like the center case.

I have a possible culprit.

I use a Lyman digital scale. Occasionally, after measuring a charge and with nothing on the scale except the pan, the "zero" will disappear and .4 grains will appear. When this happens, I re-zero. It's possible I loaded the case with an extra .4 grains.

Someone questioned why I used 55 grains of IMP4350.

My Speer #11 book calls for starting grains of 54 to a max of 58.

Speer data I retrieved from their site (Data File) indicates 52 starting and 56 max.

Lee indicates 56 starting and 60 max.
 

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Let me ask a question. It may sound kind of stupid, even. You mentioned that the bolt turned and opened easily, but couldn't be extracted. Seems odd, ordinarily, unlocking the bolt pulls the case backward some, so that it should extract easily.

I guess that the question is, are you sure that dirt or something else didn't jam the bolt?
 
I'll attempt an answer. I shoot numerous Remington 700s and have never noticed that a fired case starts to extract during the first few degrees of bolt uplift. However you might think that the bolt uplift would rotate the case with the bolt as it starts to turn and in doing so would loosen a stuck case and it would extract. But the claws on the extractor do not grab the case head tightly enough to rotate the case, and the case, especially one that is stuck, will not move while the extractor claws rotate over and around the case head. Then at the end of the bolt lift, a straight pull back should of course extract the case. In the situation that I had with identical symptoms with a Remington 700 .458 mag, the extraction became so difficult that a mallet became necessary to extract a fired case. Yet bolt lift remained normal for the reason stated above. The .458 required a new Douglas barrel to get the rifle back in action. The cause of the stuck .458 cases is unusual and not the same as what seems to be happening here.

Now we don't know if the OP was firing a 700 but with most any model Remington bolt rifle, the extractor mechanism would probably work the same way and not be capable of tightly grasping the case head during bolt lift.
 
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OK, now I'm curious, what was the issue with the .458??

The "crescent moon" type extractor in post WWII boltguns isn't intended to be tight enough to turn the case. Extractors must either be non rotating with the bolt (like the Mauser 98), or they HAVE to turn with the bolt as it rotates, sliding along the case.

Also the Rem extractor is made to snap over the case rim, something that works both ways. The camming action of the bolt lift, pulling back on the case via the extractor, combined with the elasticity of the brass case, springing back away from the chamber is what frees the fired case from the "pressure weld" to the barrel it went through to seal in the gas.

High pressure stuck the case to the chamber harder than usual. And it didn't want to let go.

Bucksnort, when the bolt finally was opened, how did the case come out? under the extractor, and ejected normally, or something else?

I think it might be possible that the extractor was slipping off/over the rim during bolt lift, because the case was extra tight in the chamber.

It might be a case of the extractor works fine with normal level loads, but not so well when you really get a case stuck.

I had a Remington .308 that suffered a broken extractor, back in the 70s, and at that time, factory replacements took some time to obtain. Local smith made one for it, and it worked perfectly cycling dummy rounds and live rounds. It would NOT extract fired cases. A matter of tolerances and tensions I believe, but fired rounds were "stuck harder" in the chamber, and the extractor just slipped off. A few weeks later, factory part was installed, no trouble ever since.

Repeaded lifting of the bolt, fiddleing with it (maybe a few smacks here and there, yes?? I would ;)), could have loosened the case enough so it did come out.

Just a guess from far away, but I've had a number of Remington bolt guns and it seems possible to me.
 
Dissambley bolt and clean it, including firing pin and spring. Also that one case maybe work hardened, and may have lost its "spring".
The dirty firing pin and spring is more likely though.
 
The issue with the .458 was that an area within the chamber became pitted, but not in the barrel, and upon firing the brass would expand and imbed itself into the pits, resulting in difficult extraction. Paid little attention at first but the situation finally required some attention and remedy which was a barrel replacement. The question was what caused the pitting. I had been using moly coated bullets with the loads at times and the best guess is that moly, which has a tendency to retain moisture when exposed, was the culprit. But when was the rifle exposed to any moisture? This was a situation that developed very slowly over a long period of time. Condition of extracted cases clearly identified the pitting.

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Was I cleaning the barrel? Not like I should have. Part of the appeal to molys is that cleaning is not needed to be done so often. Well maybe. Usage of molys in several other rifles has not produced similar results.
 
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The rifle is a Remington 700. Dirt could have been the problem. We will check the rifle for this then disassemble the bolt for a thorough cleaning.

No one commented on the possible .4 grains of powder.
 
Only .4 gr of 4350 would hardly be a consideration but 4 gr, should that have been the case, could have generated a comment or two. An additional .4 gr on top of 55 would not raise any red flags.
 
The photo is of 308 cases. The rims are bent outward by the extraction effort against the tight case fit in the chamber. The sharp ejector marks on the rim opposite the bends further indicates high pressure.

In 30-06 you should not have high pressure like that from your load level. I would look on the outside of the case for bright places or rings indicating a rust pit or very rough chamber's tool marks that the case was anchoring itself into, but which are smeared back to flat when you finally succeed in achieving extraction. If that's happening, it would explain why they go back in OK.

Using Hodgdon's data and a logarithmic function to estimate pressure, it looks like 55 grains would be running about 54,000 psi in the Hodgdon test gun using their brass (Winchester) and primer and bullet. With different components it could be higher, but unless you have one of the very heavy cases I discussed, it seems unlikely. You'd have to do a water weight capacity measurement to be sure, either way. This is just weighing the fired case empty, then filling it with water level to the mouth (no meniscus and no air bubbles inside and no drops on the outside) then weighing it again and subtracting the dry weight from the result. Normally it is around 69 or 70 grains of water in 30-06. This number is technically the case water overflow capacity, as adding any more water would make the case overflow. Case water capacity without the word "overflow" refers only to the amount of water that would fit in under the bullet without powder present.

The 0.4 grain charge increase should raise pressure from 54,000 to 55,000 psi. Both below the SAAMI maximum. It's only 0.7% of charge weight. Enough to move you off a sweet spot in some cases, but not enough difference to be consequential to pressure. Keep in mind that SAAMI pressure limits are an average for a 10 round test that allows for a 4% standard deviation in pressure. So they have some over and some under that limit. In 30-06 as long at there is no more than 12,400 psi of difference between the highest and lowest round in the average, it is considered within spec.

Speer #11 has data developed in production guns and never pressure tested. The powder company owners, plant locations, and manufacturing processes have been modified since then, as they have for primers. #11 should be considered obsolete data at this point. The more recent Speer manuals have maximum loads that were tested by Alliant for Speer in SAAMI standard pressure barrels to be sure they stayed within SAAMI pressures. It is more reliable information.

To check your scale, 55 grains is a standard 0.224" bullet weight. The match bullets, especially, tend to be pretty much right on value. If you have one or can beg one off a friend, it will be better to see what the scale says about it and use it as a check weight when the zero drifts. Some scales, depending on the transducer type, will have their linearity drift so that even when the zero is right the upper end of your weight might not be. The bullet makes a good check.
 
briandg,

We didn't think to look for debris associated with the bolt because once we were able to open it, there were no problems with the remaining rounds. We will check the bolt and rear chamber.
 
condor bravo,

It was .4 and not 4 grains. Yesterday, my grandson was watching me load more of these 4350 rounds. Both of us noticed an incident where the read out indicated .4. I looked carefully to be sure the number 4 was to the right of the decimal point; it was.
 
briandg,

Your point about the bolt turning the case slightly is a good and may support my feeling that the problem was mechanical and not loading. We turned the bolt four or five times applying pressure to the rear in a forceful manner at the end of each turn trying to open the bolt. Finally, it opened.

Other than perhaps a bolt needing cleaning, what could cause this? As I said, we re-chambered the possible guilty case with zero problems.

I consider myself to be very good at quality control when loading. After charging a number of cases and before seating bullets, I physically look, with a small flashlight at all the cases to see if the powder is at the same level in each case.

I haven't had a chance to do some measuring o the case but will then will pass along.
 
Once a stuck case comes out of the chamber, it usually goes back in and comes back out easily.

0.4gr is less than 1% of your powder charge, and with IMR 4350 isn't likely to be an issue.
 
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