3-D Printers

The machines I work on, have stages that can position to nanometer accuracy. While moving at 500mm/sec.

The technology is already there to make these things accurate. Just the price and incorporating it. Its coming though.

We can now make all of our toys at home instead of China...
 
It's been mentioned that there is a good deal of industrial usage for this tech. Polymer gun parts can be made from it and working AR lowers are being made. There will be improvement.

But a part of a gun isn't a gun. The law currently allows a person to build a gun in their home, without a serial number, if it is for their personal use, though various local jurisdictions may frown on that in various ways.

More interesting is the ability to produce a working model of a gun (or anything else for that matter) for experimental and design purposes. Or your own air soft gun. There are possibilities for the teams working together on designs to build working models.

Some folk believe the tech will somehow "empower" people. I don't see that happening except in the way that the home sewing machine "empowered" some to make their own clothes at home from patterns ordered through the mail or bought at craft stores. Some also used the portable sewing machine to teach themselves to design clothes in hopes of being the next Versace.

But many millions more were "empowered" to work for piece work wages in garages and sweat shops. There is potential here for these machines as well in the production of widgets for industry.

3D printers are going to become more and more prominent as technology improves. They're already working on models that can print metal and (more interestingly, IMO) living cells/flesh.

The "adult entertainment" industry will love these things. So will the home "hobbyist".

Personally I can't wait for the day when there's a 3D printer in every home.

Brett Favre will have some fun.

More seriously a small cottage industry in revolver and pistol grips could develop. Custom grips fitted to your hand for a few bucks.

Not everyone will want one of these sitting in their bedrooms.

tipoc
 
While the topic is mostly about "completely printed" types of things....

What about using 3d printing to print the "frame" of a handgun around the steel insert, similar to the way many of the newer polymer firearms are made?

Also, what about using the process to make a polymer metal lined mag similar to the Glock design?

Yes, I do know that in both instances there has to be the insert made, but just curious about combining the two processes?
 
Yes, I do know that in both instances there has to be the insert made, but just curious about combining the two processes?

It's already being done. It's also kinda the point. Why make a spring this way when springs are stronger and more economically produced by current methods? You don't, you combine the elements. We don't make windows entirely of glass, we only use glass for the transparent part.

This method does not replace other materials or methods that are stronger, faster or more economical. It enables us potentially to build some parts out of some materials that could not be made economically any other way. I don't think it will be so useful in making firearms as in the medical, aerospace, defense, entertainment and other industries.

tipoc
 
Like my father is wont to say: "The marvel is not that the bear dances well, but that the bear dances at all." And as someone who's been interested in home 3D printing since the first rep-rap, I can say that the bear is starting to do a workable foxtrot and may breakdance before the decade's out.

Yes, maching is better for most parts. Machining however isn't turnkey. You can buy an assembled 3d printer for $499, fully assembled dual-head* model with a build plate large enough for an ar-15 receiver? under 3k. Both allow you to plug in, fire up and print parts.

outside of attention grabbing news stories, 3D printings use for guns would be more for prototyping and accessory-making than for part manufacturing. Got an idea for a new locking system and want to demonstrate it? 3d print the part and show it off. Want to test a grip shape or sight geometry? same thing. Want a replacement part for a gun that had stopped being manufactured before the great war? print a hundred parts for a few dollars to test the fit and functionality and then send the specs off to a machinist to get the real deal .

assuming a certain gunbroker auction doesn't take all of my funds, I'll be getting a desktop 3D printer soon. first thing I'm going to design and print? a mag loading tool for my makarov. There's one on the market but it's something that's both a good learning exercise and a functional object that other shooters may find useful.

Long term gun plans with this tool include hard to find parts such as the magazine for a .22lr conversion for the Mak and a replacement front sight for my ar-7 designed to hold a fiber optic light pipe. There's not enough market demand to make manufacture of either profitable and once I've finished designing and testing the parts I can release the design for free an anyone who cares to make their own.

Less design-oriented and more mundane use would be snap caps (my kitten tends to steal mine when they're ejected). You can buy them for most calibers but printing would be cheaper and easier, not to mention more available for less off the shelf ammo and faster than waiting for shipping.

One more quick note: Investment casting from 3d printed parts is quite possible. one of the driving forces behind 3d printing is the thousands hobbyists thinking “let's see if this is possible”, if it is it's another tool to use, if it isn't the next question becomes “how can we make this possible” and the end result may well be “look at what I can do!”

*main non-decorative use for a dual-head 3d printer is to print soluble supports. Print the main part using standard plastic, print the supports using a special plastic that dissolves in water and you can print more complex shapes. the recent AR-15 receiver defense distributed made was printed using this method, albeit with a much more expensive hunk of hardware.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1eKadlPC4w

3-D printers are capable of some amazing things already. this is a model of a radial engine that was printed as one piece. now if the material is strong enough it would be a fully functional engine. as soon as polymers are strong enough, printing a complete gun is not out of the question. but as people have said its not at this moment.
 
You can't print a working spring. You can't print steel. You can't print anything with moving parts unless you print the parts separately.

In addition to the zig-zag style spring as posted above with that magazine, this video shows a more conventional spiral spring.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCl5lYy3Loo&feature=player_detailpage#t=46s

Obviously nowhere near the strength of a metal spring, but it works for some applications.

You can actually print in steel btw. there are a couple different methods. one requires the part to be hardened in a kiln after printing, the other doesn't. I've had stuff printed in the stuff that has to be hardened before and there is slight shrinking and warping that can go on if your part is thin, so steel printing is not a good solution for precision parts, at least with the technology that I've used.

Plastic printing on the other hand is more than capable of printing more precise parts, including fully captured moving parts like hinges and such which are printed in one piece and work directly out of the printer. That rotary engine posted above is probably the best example you're going to find.

I agree with the poster above though who stated that for the near future we're only going to be seeing gun accessories being made with 3D printers, as practical gun parts are still best made by traditional means. I personally have my designs printed through a website printing service that uses professional machines, because of the higher print quality and variety of available materials. Also, home printers are not as easy as "plug it in and start printing". There is a lot of calibration and troubleshooting involved to make things run smoothly. Most of the people that I know who own a desktop 3D printer are not currently using them because they aren't working.

A set of custom grips for my Ruger Mark III are on my "to design" list. I have made a few sets of custom swiss army knife scales that came out really well.

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*first post btw. hi all*
 
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Watch this short vid on what can be done...

http://www.engineeringtv.com/video/EOS-Laser-Sintering-Technology

The various new mechanical processes do make a number of newer methods possible.

You can see some of those possibilities here.

Of course you can make a spring in time to rival springs currently made by conventional processes. But making springs don't seem the point of these machines. It'd be like driving a Ferrarri 2 blocks to pick up a quart of milk.

tipoc
 
Ah, so they use laser sintering for the metals as well. The metal parts that I had made were also powdered metal, but the part was held together with a liquid binder, sprayed from a fairly conventional print head to hold the steel powder together until hardened in a kiln. That's where i had the shrinking & warping issues, but with sintering you probably won't have that happening. Takes a serious laser I imagine, especially for titanium.

The top 2 knives in my photo are sintered nylon plastic. The top is white that's been dyed blue after printing. The grey one is the same white nylon, but mixed with aluminum dust. The bottom one is a method that gives a more detailed printed plastic which is sprayed from a print head in liquid form, then hit with UV to harden before moving to the next layer.

Just producing springs would be silly, I agree. Though the ability to incorporate a functioning spring inclosed inside of a greater part in one printing session may certainly have some application that would be difficult or impossible by conventional means.
 
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Printed guns

Printed weapons have a couple flaws in them that will probably keep them from being a quality use.

#1- SLA or printed materials lack the compression in the molecular level to have the tension strength of plastic injection materials. You may get a few rounds through it but it is far from being a process that will make a lasting part. Some of the pieces, that do not require impact tensile strength or a additive that creates lubricity, then SLA, SLS, printed material would be fine. There are printable steels available also, but have also shown a real lack in long term use on items that require surfaces that have friction or have impact strength.

#2 - Cost. If you are looking to print for your own fun, a printer would be fine, but they run slow and the materials for the "nicer" machines that leave a good surface, as the examples in this thread, are not cheap. You also have a maximum tolerance of .005 / inch. In the machining world, that's huge. Printing plastics and steels is also a very slow process where a lower could take you 10 hours to print.
 
You can't print a working spring.

You can wind up a working spring, the point here isn't making springs. It's making all the other complicated parts of a firearm that you can't just make out of whatever junk you got lying around your garage.

The Makerbot printers range around the $2000 mark, and I think it's about $50 per spool of the plastic printing material. 3-D printing of metal parts is possible right now with EXTREMELY expensive printers that use layer sintering of powdered metals. Not sure how far that particular method has come though.

Far enough to make a half decent 1911.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/08/tech/innovation/3d-printed-metal-gun/

Yes, printed barrel and everything.
BTW the video is hilarrious. "It's a version of an M-one-nine-one-one pistol" :rolleyes:

On sale for only $11,900, get your today :D
 
Making funtional sintered metal parts from 3D printed patterns has been around for years now. The processes were developed to shorten the time to prodution for new designs of stuff. Rapid prototypes = less development time and prototypes that function = less time in testing of first article production parts. Not to forget the reduction of mistakes that are found in hard tooled projects.
 
I have had that company do printing for my shop, trust me when I say it is a way slow process and about 10 times the cost of a brand new Kimber 1911
 
I have had that company do printing for my shop, trust me when I say it is a way slow process and about 10 times the cost of a brand new Kimber 1911

As with all technology, the main point here is-for now. In a year, it will be possible for a 15 year old to do this in his basement, if technology keeps marching like it is.


Larry
 
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