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Well if the scope of the law permits you to pull me over for sitting in my car late at night in front of my house, and come up, and ask me for id, and I give it to you, you verify my adress, and see it is my car, and want to search a tool box in the passengers seat, and you start poking me in the chest, and then I have my parents call 911, and have your commander tell me that officer lily would never do that, and I insist on filling out a report, and get stonewalled, I co-operated fully, now a bright officer would say sir, there has been some car thefts, in the area, and I was making sure you weren't stealing this vehicle, that seems better, than getting physical with me in an unjustifiable way. Unless setting on a residential side street, is a big red flag. No report was ever filed against me or the officer, but many have attitudes. I have run in to an officer, who pulled my MDOC wife over, and asked me to keep her at the speed limit, I replied she does what she wants when she wants, I am not going to tell her how to drive in the area she grew up in in her own car, by the way this officer was tailgating a vehicle, and driving to the far right of the lane, to "hide" behind a car. Can I call in a complaint on an officer for tailgating, is that going to fly. My friend's dad was a cop he was the worst driver I saw for watching everything else but the road, he never got a ticket though, and sped a lot, 2 of my wife's former co-workers are peace officer, one a sheriff, the other a city police officer, they are laid back guys who do there shift with as little trouble as possible, being polite does work. I also like the fact that motorists, on busy hi-ways, are no longer helped by police in my state, because a speed trap is more important. A police car with it's lights one when changing a tire helps make that job much safer. The officer can get out of his car, in case the officer is rear ended, and doesn't have to help.
 
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I love my country, very much so.

Dan... Better re-read that post of mine. You added an 'r' to my county, lol.

It's simply my county that bothers me -- as well as my city (not Spokane, but in the same county).

My city's budget went FUBAR -- they spent all the parks and rec budget on high-speed internet for city hall (which was already on a DSL as I recall).

As for Spokane itself, that place just has too many problems. I applaud the people who seperated the city into Spokane and Spokane Valley -- without them, Spokane county wouldn't have any buisnesses moving in (Spokane's super unfriendly to buisnesses moving in. One buisness even put up a billboard saying "Thinking of moving your buisness into Spokane? DON'T! The [some city department, I forget which -- something about traffic?] doesn't want you here."

As for law enforcement, I'll commend them in large part... Without them, I'd probably be doing some pretty stupid/wrong stuff. :o
 
Sorry, the weather is bad around here for about the last week it seems, and my back is killing me, I have only been sleeping about 4 hours a night, and eating very sporadically, I have lost about 50 pounds since around mid october. I hav to start to try to eat some carbs, every now and again, because your brain can only use sugar for fuel, and it has to break down muscle to do that. So i have been kind of out of it. Sorry. I still will call, to see if this really happened, and then mabe see if the NRA can get them a lawyer.
 
Danindetroit, those were the most incoherent statements I have ever heard.


The more I read this story, the less I believe it. The man had valid warrants, he went to jail. Everything else is pretty much superfluous (sp?). Folks who ride in th eback of police cars hear what they want to, and the cops are always wrong. Prison if full of innocent people, put their by crooked cops. :barf:
 
I know I can't believe what I read here. It is so easy for people to give their side of the stroy, and leave out small details about encounters. I would like to read a Police report before I jump to any conclusions.

The fact is, you had burnt out plate lights. A legal stop is a legal stop, so there is no gripe there. It seems to me you were getting an attitude with the cop, demanding to know what the stop was about, and arguing with him. I believe this makes the cop dig deeper, not back him off. Cooperation is helpful.

With all this said, good luck in court, I'm sure the judge will hear and decide after both sides present the case.
 
SierraH, are you the guy that got hassled a while back in the Fred Meyer in Ellensburg?

I asked again saying law requires you inform me of the reason for your stop.
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What law is that?
 
I do not care about your totally biased opinion about police. They have the power to pull you over for nothing. Hararass you, and handcuff you. I believe the courts have given the police too much power. They also have been given immpossible jobs to do, and hardly have training in defusing a situation. I have relatives in law enforcement. Federal marshall, policeman, etc. I have no idea why you blame me for this person's problem.

Ps lilyd, don't tell me about wondering where a cop is when I need one, because when my parent's house was broken into, the cops never came when they called. I don't call the cops, if I do to call the non-emergency # to ask about something, they are rude, and feel it is beneath them to answer my question, when I am paying city taxes to pay their salary, I guess introducing a ballot to have the # of officers realted to poulation, might straighten out that attitude. During this time of budget cuts, some people got to go. Treating people with respect, and courtesy is always the best way to try and handle things. Police always mention safety as an issue. making a person who you just stopped angry, does not seem the best way to assure a LE's safety.
 
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You say that officers made repeated references to you being a "constitutionalist"; if you can get the agency responsible - or their host authority - into the jurisdiction of a federal court you may have a good civil rights case under Title 42. The law not only covers race, color etc ... it also covers creed.
 
Danindetroit, last I checked, I am required to have probable cause before making a traffic stop, and further cause to place someone in cuffs. I am not sure why you feel you were so wronged by the Police, but apparently you attract attention to yourself.

I am also unsure of your insisting I said anything about you whininh about the cops not being there. Since we are on the subject, just becasue the Police didnt come to take a burglary report once, which I highly doubt, all cops are the Gestapo?

You should really wait until the full onset of puberty before painting such broad stereotypes.

I also find this ridiculous story less and less credible the more time that passes, as the author refuses to respond. Perhaps he was reincarcerated, Perhaps the Stormtroopers found him in the basement in his tinfoil hat, who knows?
 
Part of the problem here is that the Ninth Circuit has ruled that the Second Amendment to the US Constitution doesn't protect any individual right, and the US Supreme Court refused to hear the case. It's the state right-to-arms provision that's important here.
 
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"Danindetroit, last I checked, I am required to have probable cause before making a traffic stop, and further cause to place someone in cuffs. I am not sure why you feel you were so wronged by the Police, but apparently you attract attention to yourself.

I am also unsure of your insisting I said anything about you whininh about the cops not being there. Since we are on the subject, just becasue the Police didnt come to take a burglary report once, which I highly doubt, all cops are the Gestapo?

You should really wait until the full onset of puberty before painting such broad stereotypes.

I also find this ridiculous story less and less credible the more time that passes, as the author refuses to respond. Perhaps he was reincarcerated, Perhaps the Stormtroopers found him in the basement in his tinfoil hat, who knows?"


were you on this traffic stop? sure sounds like your just the type mentioned by the starter of this thread... just the kind of cops that abuse their power and go beyond their call and think their above everyone else and can make accusations and insults to people without any real knowledge of anything besides what you learned in a few months of training at the academy...... i believe you are the individual in need of some growing up.... keep in mind these types of things are what create the view which the country holds toward LE... your supposed to set an example..... and blah why am i waisting my time... :barf:
 
Don't Let This Incident Smear the Good Name of Police Officers

If things went down exactly as described in this thread, then I'm appalled at the behavior of the officers. They are not fit to be LEOs if they act this way.

However, I'm not an LEO and it would be easy for me and people like me to let this incident tarnish my respect for them. These men and women have extremely difficult and dangerous jobs. But even more extraordinary than that, is that most of them still find a way to be respectful and professional. I don't know if I could do that when my job threatened my life on a daily basis.

"Bad cop" strories are like "bad gunowner" stories: they are few and far between, but they tend to paint the entire group with a bad brush.

We live in a great country, a country where our police are fellow citizens, not some sort of elite group that bullies the populus at will. This is a rare thing in recent history.

I enjoy meeting LEOs at the range, sharing our common love of guns and shooting, and I appreciate that I live in a country where BOTH of US get to have guns. I've only met a few bad ones in my life, and I've met a lot of good ones.

We should keep that in mind as we rightly express our indignation at the treatment of this guy at the hands of a few bad cops.
 
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I have been stopped a lot of times by the police. Unfortunately I have met them more times than I liked, before around 12 years ago. I can tell you many stories about it. Some police are polite, motor carrier cops, used to be pretty confrontational, until I started pointing out violations on the truck I was driving when stopped, the new CDL laws from 88 make the Driver resposible for a safe truck, and not the company who owns it. I also helped an older officer carry the portable scales, and pieces of wood needed to weigh a truck, not heavy to me, but he was within 6 months of retiring, I talked about shotguns, and he told me about a gun club he belonged to, and gave me a card, and told me to come up, and shoot. I never did, I worked too much. You always remember the negative things, and a lot of them were negative, when you live in an area with a pop. of more than 3 million people and very high ethnic populations, and you get bad cops, some with attitudes, some actually criminal. When you are in a bar that has a sign, no colors displayed, at the entrances, and the police take a guy out back of the bar, and he comes back bloody, they didn't ask for license and ID. The guy had beat his wife earlier, and the punishment was justified, but the police just don't get to make those descisions. I got pulled over by livernois & oakman, no reason, they asked to search the car, I asked why, the only reason for a polish person to be in that neighborhood is to buy drugs accordingto the police, they never found anything, I told them the friend I was seeing, and address, they cuffed me, threw me in jail for the night, one officer just drove my car to the precinct. The next morning I am let go, no paperwork, for them, no impound receipt no way to fight back. I figure I got four free baloney sandwiches out of it, no beating, consider myself lucky. When to talk to a detective, you have to look in 3 bars, that isn't right either. Just like society, 99% of police are nice, the 1% you meet WILL stick with you.

You stated, my posts are hard to read. Check this link, it will give you an idea why.

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155968

I judge individuals, not groups, anybody that has power over you, can abuse it. If you do not believe that, you are naive.
 
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You, sir, are a walking contradiction. You paint Paece Officers with a broad brush, yet claim to judge individulas, not groups.

I am sorry you feel as though you had a bad expereince with your local law enforcement entities. However, I am certain they are not all bad, nor even as bad as you say. As I stated earlier, the one in the cuffs seems to remember things being a lot worse than they really are.

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As for DarkKnight, no I wasnt there, and Im not sure the original poster was even there. Neither were you there, dear sir. It astounds me that some individuals tend to beleive such farcities after hearing one side only, not to mention the side of the "victim", and I do use that term loosely.

Knowing a little bit about how things work, what I glean from this story is this. The guy had a busted Tag Light, and made a stupid lane change. MORE than adequate precursors to a traffic stop. The subject, assuming that he will be a martyr for his rights, immediately assumes the defensive, attempting to explain the officers job to him. The officer, whether he has 15 minutes, or 15 years, know his job better than our "victim, again used loosely.

Our Hero, the "victim", has valid warrants, which may never have been checked had he assumed a polite attitude. The subject is taken into custody for these outstanding warrants, which *surprise, surprise*, stem from yet another incidence of his rights being violated. Quite odd that he is not at fault in any way in any of this.

After hsi arrest, the officers are not nice to him, and dont hold his hand, which makes him sad. At the jail, the Booking officers do not find him cooperative, and book him without him present, which happens quite often.

Again, he becomes insolent while in the cell. He dreams up God Knows what about this horribel outing of the local Gestapo, and gets madder and madder until even he believes this load of bullcorn. All the while, he is booked, and bond is posted for him, and he is released, which makes me believe he was charged with nothing but the outstanding warrant. If there had been a meaningful charge, he would have seen a judge.

As soon as daylight shines upon our martyr's face, he does the average Ameican thing, decides to call a Lawyer, since he is most certainly a victim of the New World Order, and has been violated. Might even sue for pain and suffering, since he was in jail for a whole night. All the while, he broke several laws, and was an ass to the police, but all of that is inconsequential, as dammit, his feelings got hurt.
 
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Our Hero, the "victim", has valid warrants, which may never have been checked had he assumed a polite attitude. The subject is taken into custody for these outstanding warrants, which *surprise, surprise*, stem from yet another incidence of his rights being violated. Quite odd that he is not at fault in any way in any of this.

After hsi arrest, the officers are not nice to him, and dont hold his hand, which makes him sad. At the jail, the Booking officers do not find him cooperative, and book him without him present, which happens quite often.

Again, he becomes insolent while in the cell. He dreams up God Knows what about this horribel outing of the local Gestapo, and gets madder and madder until even he believes this load of bullcorn. All the while, he is booked, and bond is posted for him, and he is released, which makes me believe he was charged with nothing but the outstanding warrant. If there had been a meaningful charge, he would have seen a judge.

As soon as daylight shines upon our martyr's face, he does the average Ameican thing, decides to call a Lawyer, since he is most certainly a victim of the New World Order, and has been violated. Might even sue for pain and suffering, since he was in jail for a whole night. All the while, he broke several laws, and was an ass to the police, but all of that is inconsequential, as dammit, his feelings got hurt.
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Heheh, its obvious that your a cop. The type of attitude you seem to have is what makes good cops look bad. I mean come on. What happened to INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY? Not that I am siding with the writer of this story, as there is obviously a little bias here also, but from your words, you paint the guy as a scumbag, who deserved what he got, boo-hoo for him, and your fellow officers did no wrong, even if they did indeed treat him like total crap. Put yourself in his situation, if he was really treated like this.

Oh wait, I forgot, you could never be in his situation, you are above that type of scumbag.......you got a nice shiney badge..... :barf:
 
Yes, I am a cop, and I JUST polished my badge, as a matter of fact.

I wrote the story above to llustrate there are two sides to every story, and the truth normall lies somehwere in the middle of two biased outlooks. I tend to believe that the truth lies closer to mine than his, but I will not completely discount his, as I was not there. I am simply saying, the bad cops are very few, and very far between. The odds of this many bad cops in one place at one time is nearly laughable.

If he was indeed mistreated in this way, then I am sorry for him. However, I simply dont see it happening. I also believe he deserved the majority of what he got, save the pointless name calling and such, which is where I imagine the biggest enhancements to his story come into play. If he had warrants, and a bad attitude, he deserved to go to jail. Period.
 
In defense of DaninDetroit, you have to live in Detroit to understand his attitude. It used to be that if you had a run-in with cops, chances are you did something. There used to be a cop in the 5th Precinct named Mike Scarborough. Mike was the kind of cop everyone would like to have in their neighborhood. First, he was HUGE! Most criminals calmed right down when he arrived because they knew that he had brought a can of buttwhup with him and wasn't afraid to open it. On the other hand, if you were a law abiding citizen, he was the nicest guy in the world. When Officer Scarborough was in you area, criminals left for fear of having to deal with him. Then, sometime around the early '80's, things started to change. You had nutjobs like Eugene Brown on the Department (something like 9 shootings in 13 years on the force). The line between cop and criminal got thinner and pretty soon, you had DPD getting arrested for pulling 'raids' in Southfield and emptying a house of all of its valuables, raiding drug houses and taking the cash and drugs (to be sold later), and bribes and corruption went all the way to the top. I know of a couple of female cops that were getting regular payoffs from the local crack dealers, one cop that thought nothing of skimming money from drug busts, and a whole bunch that lied to send someone to jail. It's no wonder that the FBI was eventually called in. It gives one a jaded view of cops. Now, as I understand it, you can be accepted into DPD if you have a light felony on your record. Detroit Cops rank somewhere between the Lagos, Nigeria and the Baghdad, Iraq PD's in competency and integrity.

From my point of view, Detroit Cops are hardly representative of all cops. As a matter of fact, they are the exception, not the rule. Where I live now, the cops are part of the community, known to the citizenry, and are just normal people. They tend to stay close to home, but that's understandable. Heck, I got pulled over a couple of weeks ago and the officer was extremely polite and almost friendly. It kind of gave me the creeps. :D
 
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