2nd/3rd gen colts

Hey cowboys :p You don't like dem guns?:rolleyes: And Thanks Fingers for your nice comment:) You know Sam Colt signed them LOL

WBH
 
I've seen the article on the limited edition Paterson. Being made from some left over Sig Series Patersons from what the article says. If I hit the lottery between now & when they all get sold, I may have to buy one.

What 2nd Gens do you have? Always looking to fill in blanks in my collection.
 
Fingers #1st. I can get some 3rd gen pattersons in display box w/ accesories I would prefer not to disclose a price but cheaper than what is coming out. Bravo to you reading that.

Um, I still have support that the 3rds are considered Colts. But we can debate that again

I have a RE Lee in box w/accessories

A 51 Navy

A Police 36

A baby dragoon.

I am trying to get from Uberti at dealer price a london steel 51 Navy.

The best repo I have is the Pietta 51 36 navy colt in pietta box with spare cylinder. I can no longer get those from my source. It is the smoothest looking and only cocking it once, felt no burrs but a perfect slide and slickness in hammer channel. Anyway--I posted it at a good price on Buy sell thread--can't go lower. As far as 2nd and 3rd gen colts--they are negotiable.
 
Um, I still have support that the 3rds are considered Colts. But we can debate that again
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How about a 1994 quote from a Colt Executive that says they're not?

Is the 1851 a C series or F series, and NIB? The F series one I have has a slight turn line on it. I'm looking for one that is pristine.

FM
 
Somebody who knows somebody who has a cousin who knew somebody who's grandfather worked for Colt 50 years ago.:D
 
Ok...Do you think Colt (a legendary company of superb firearms and internationally known) would let a company stamp their BRAND on them and not have some say so on all this? Come on. Ok, the restaurant you are eating in has an A rating. Are you sure a health inspector was really there? or was a palm greased. As far as I know the guns were inspected by Colt. A retired 80 year old man worked there and retired in 2000 said they were. I would be stupid to post his name and address but why would he lie? Why would a big Co like Colt let some back alley gunmaker stamp their name on them without some kind of quality control or inspections. For instance, if you look up the Marine dragoon there is reference info that it was a Whitney etc-colt and that Colt reisued them in the 90's. If You go to Barnes & Noble and buy the Colt book--the thirds are in them. I really thought that uberti made them and a rep came to London to inspect. But that is not true either. If the guns are stamed Colt then they are colts-who ever made them. Or Colt would sue for counterfeiting. Yu think?

WBH
 
If the guns are stamped Colt then they are colts-who ever made them. Or Colt would sue for counterfeiting. Yu think?
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I agree. Cap and ball expert Dennis Adler in his Black Powder Revolvers-Reproductions and Replicas calls them Colts. The only modern replica cap and ball revolvers actually made under the Colt Hartford dome were the "C" series 1851 Navy's in the early 1970s (including the Lee & Grant cased sets), the later "F" series were only inspected and shipped by Colt after being made by Iver Johnson in New Jersey. The F series are considered real Colts and the Signature Series revolvers were also made by the same gunmakers under license from Colt. As Adler says: "...a Colt pistol bearing the Colt name and patent, regardless of where the individual components are cast, is a Colt."
 
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Thank you Bishop Creek. In over 2 years selling B/P guns have I ever had a customer discredit the 3rd gen colts. In fact, they want them. yes, they're not as valuable as the 2nd's but they are COLTS and re enactors that are true to the bone C/B enthusiasts want used 3rds (which are hard to find) because they bear the cold stamping and do not say BLACK POWDER Only) They even respect the unfired 3rds in the boxes not torn up and they are torn whether they want to shoot them or collect them!
 
Hey Hardy,

Ever see the TV commercials for all that Chinese electronic stuff with the Bell and Howell brand on them? Same idea. A well known company SOLD their name to make a dime!
 
Hardy,
I wish I could afford to buy your 1851 Navy. I had a Signature Series 1851 Navy years ago but, like a fool sold it. But I am about ready to send $75 to Colt to see if they will letter my Signature Series 1860 Army to settle this question once and for all.
 
Fingers McGee said:
Is the 1851 a C series or F series, and NIB? The F series one I have has a slight turn line on it. I'm looking for one that is pristine.
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Hardy, you haven't answered the question yet.

FM
 
Come on Junkman--we can nic pic all we want. Bell &Howard? You read it all. There is no more to say to this debate unless more info gets on. If you don't think the 3rds are colts then you don't think so. That's OK. I guess a lot of yu don't. I guess Fords aren't really Fords anymore. How far can we take this. Ima sayin--it has Colt stamped on it. And in my collection they are colts.
 
No fingers, the 1851 has been fired 6 rounds-and a true collector will notice some minor tiks. I do have original box, papers, wrapping. Will sell to you for reasonabl price if you desire.
 
Bishop--I got a 3rd gen 51 navy(unturned nib) coming in with uncracked box /white shipping box/ colt wooden display case and all colt accessories for box. You interested. Actually I want it. But I have same coming w/ 1849 pocket. I'll giv one up:eek:
 
Hardy,

Some of us have a different take on this matter than you do. We have just as much right to express our views as you do in this venue. You have provided no proof to back up your claim, other than "I was told....". Just because it says Colt on it makes it collectible, but doesn't mean that Colt had anything to do with the manufacturing, inspection, or sale of these guns. Same as Bell and HOWELL!.

BTW, they are very nice guns. :D
 
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But that is not true either. If the guns are stamed Colt then they are colts-who ever made them. Or Colt would sue for counterfeiting. Yu think?
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So what makes a Colt a Colt. Is it the name? The name is trademarked, and has been sold by Colt for use in knives. I bought a Colt branded knife, thinking it would be a high quality item, and it was not. I was very disappointed.

Colt is a corporation no more, no less. A corporation is run to maximize profits for the CEO, CFO and Directors running the corporation. And I mean maximize now, not tomorrow. These guys want their chips to have the maximum value so they can run to the counter and cash them in, now.

Corporations will license their names, trademarks, to boost profits now. Corporations will do things in the short run that will hurt profits in the long run, but since all the guys in charge now will have cashed out by then, that is not a problem. For now.

So, is a 3rd Generation Colt a Colt when the production was licensed out to Imperato?

quote from the article "History of Colt reproductions' by Dennis Adler.

"Imperato organized the Colt Blackpowder Arms Company in Brooklyn, New York in 1993. A year later, the 3rd Generation Colt Blackpowder Signature Series was introduced under a licensing agreement with Colt's Manufacturing Company, Inc. Under this new "licensing" arrangement, Imperato not only manufactured the 3rd Generation black powder revolvers, he was also responsible for quality control, final inspection, marketing, advertising, sales, distribution and shipping to distributors or customers."

Ref: https://www.bluebookinc.com/Info/PDF...fColtBlack.pdf
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Is a Schrade knife a Schrade knife when they are now made in China?

My Colt 3rd Model Dragoon was eye popping beautiful but functionally defective. It is also made of Italian parts.

I do not think I got good value for my money, "Colt" or not.
 
Help a confused old guy out. Were any of the Walkers made in the 2nd gen run ? Not a Dragoon, but the Walker with no gizmo under the bbl to hold the loading lever. I'm assuming 1st gen refers to the original 1800s production ? I'm looking at one that has the Sam Colt sig on the backstrap. Guy has it listed as a 2nd gen. I was thinking that would be a third gen ?
 
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