2a rights looking grim right about now.

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Kayser

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- President who has said he would sign an AWB if it crossed his desk.
- Strong democrat majority in the house, with extreme leftist Pelosi as majority leader.
- The slimmest of margins in the senate (which as of right now, look like might not hold anyway) means just a few RINOs are needed to swing any vote to the dem side.

We are in very, very serious trouble. The AWB is going to be the tip of the iceberg. They're talking ammo count limitations, component limitations, reclassifying bolts and slides as "firearms", and you can be sure all the stuff that's undergone "trial runs' recently in CA is going to be zestily resurrected at the federal level.

If we don't shift things around seriously in '08, I predict near total firearm ownership abolishment in < 10 years.
 
Let's make it $100 to make it interesting. Here's my more concrete definition:

- Complete semi-auto ban across the board for all long guns.
- Full handgun registration, with renewal and recertification every <= 3 years.
- 1000 round ammo limitation, where every primer, bullet, or empty case individually counts as 1 round.
- Stiff ammo tax.
- All newly manufactured handguns will have to have "smart weapon" tech, including the micro-imprint-on-the-case thing.
- All newly manufactured ammo will have serial numbers in the bullets.

In addition, looming on the horizon, as "assault weapons" have for the last 10 years, will be:

- "sniper weapons", which will be defined as nearly any centerfire rifle. This is, after all, the defacto end goal of the gun grabbers. It's not going to take long before some genius realizes every deer rifle is exactly a sniper rifle.


But don't worry, you'll be able to still shoot skeet with your break-open over-under shotguns.
 
- Complete semi-auto ban across the board for all long guns.
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Other than a semi shotgun, where's the harm in that? A pump is almost as fast anyway.
- Full handgun registration, with renewal and recertification every <= 3 years.
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I could live with that, all my guns are perfectly legal and I'm not trying to hide a thing.
- 1000 round ammo limitation, where every primer, bullet, or empty case individually counts as 1 round.
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Do you need more than that? Stores will sell more.
- Stiff ammo tax.
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That would suck.
- All newly manufactured handguns will have to have "smart weapon" tech, including the micro-imprint-on-the-case thing.
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People still sell used guns, ya know.
- All newly manufactured ammo will have serial numbers in the bullets.
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That's fine. I only shoot my guns while abiding by the law.

I'm not trying to sound leftist, but these "laws" you just created aren't the end of the world. Sure, I would rather things stay the way they were, but other than the ammo tax, I could live with everything else there.

I agree with your overall point, I just think you're being a bit extreme about it.
 
What background do I need? The only thing that stopped a full bore, permanent AWB from passing in the last 2 years is the fact that the Republicans controlled the house, and slammed the door on the legislation.

Now, we've got a Democratic majority, with a leadership that is more steeped in extreme gun control history than ever before.

Every item on my little list there has been attempted in various states. Every. Single. One. I live in Illinois, and 3 of the 6 have been attempted here. Of the remainder, they have for the most part been defeated by very very slim margins in states like CA, Md, and NY. Every year for the past 4 years, HB2414 (pretty much carbon copy of the new-and-improved AWB they want at the federal level) has been pushed and narrowly defeated. Nail biting over that one is like an annual tradition around here.

All this baloney has been honed and practiced for the last 20 years. Democrats haven't controlled the house in 12. They are going to drop a VERY big hammer, mark my words.
 
The sky is not falling, folks. Try to get a grip.

There will probably be no new gun legislation to pass at all. Neither loosening nor restricting from the federal perspective. Power is now divided, folks, and many of the new Democrats in congress are conservative. That's why they won. I am sure that the Democrats are quite clear on the fact that if they veer strongly left, they will lose power again. That is why Democratic strategists are hoping Obama and Hillary will not run, and that someone like Bill Richardson (endorsed by the NRA, by the way) will.

But, I gotta say, there is no one to blame but Bush and his cabinet. Folks voted against the war, and it will cost Republicans a lot. He was simply too sure of himself, and overreached. He made a major mistake that a little study of history could have avoided. I am sure Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, and Cheney sold him on a rosey outcome in Iraq, and, thinking that they had a new paradigm (neoconservatism), the old rules would not apply. History has a lot to say about insurgencies, and it not pretty. Oh well, now he really is a lame duck. And Cheney, by strong-arming the Republican congressmen into towing the line at every single instance, contributed to the sense that the Republicans in general were partly responsible.

I just hope that the Republicans look to an adult like McCain in the future. He is far from perfect on the 2A, but Bush and his group simply did not know what they were doing.
 
and many of the new Democrats in congress are conservative
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I won't disagree with you there (mostly because I have no concrete reason to). But this doesn't really change the fact that you have Pelosi and the extremely extreme left running the show now. Conservative democrats aren't going to be able to vote against abhorrent anti-gun legislation.

And again, all you need to do is look at the recent AWB sunset. The only reason it didn't get through was because of solid control of the house. The Republican majority in the senate let it through. Bush said he would sign it. So in that area, the barn door is wide open. Should a democrat president get in in '08, then the "line" won't even hypothetically be at AWB type stuff. It'll escalate. Where else where you have massive Democrat majorities has this not been the case?
 
there are various reasons for the republicans loss of power..but bush has to acknowledge that he has followed his father's footsteps in losing out in his second term....he could have done much better but failed to do so...
 
Other than a semi shotgun, where's the harm in that? A pump is almost as fast anyway.
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You're just not going to find a lot of sympathy to this line of thinking here. You're talking about making millions of people instant felons.


- Full handgun registration, with renewal and recertification every <= 3 years.
I could live with that, all my guns are perfectly legal and I'm not trying to hide a thing.
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Surely, you realize there's this thing called incrementalism at work here?


- 1000 round ammo limitation, where every primer, bullet, or empty case individually counts as 1 round.
Do you need more than that? Stores will sell more.
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Again, this comment is very odd. This would completely eliminate reloading as a hobby. A box of 1000 primers is the size of a box of kitchen matches, and they don't come any smaller. 1000 rounds of ammo is a de-facto ban because it will make recreational shooting prohibitively expensive.

- All newly manufactured handguns will have to have "smart weapon" tech, including the micro-imprint-on-the-case thing.
People still sell used guns, ya know.
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Again, incrementalism. How long do you think it'll be before posession of a non "smart weapon" becomes a felony?

- All newly manufactured ammo will have serial numbers in the bullets.
That's fine. I only shoot my guns while abiding by the law.
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Ok. Hope you like paying $100 for a box of .45 ACP. And no, you can't buy in bulk or reload to keep costs down. Ammo limits dontcha know.


Final note : 5 posts, a registration date of 11/5/06, and a couple of truly bizarre viewpoints (for this board, anyways) make me fairly suspicious of your motives.
 
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- Complete semi-auto ban across the board for all long guns.

Other than a semi shotgun, where's the harm in that? A pump is almost as fast anyway.
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He's talking about rifles too... I don't know about you, but I like having the option of a semi auto or a bolt action .22LR as well as the larger cal rifles too. If I don't hit my target "perfect" the first time, I want a faster follow up shot than a bolt action will allow me.
 
I can't say I even own a semi long gun. I am much more of a lever action guy myself but I would want to be able to buy one if i chose to do so.
 
Kayser, looks like that may be a 100 Amero bill!:( There's always hope though, looks like we're seeing the beginning of a backlash.

I really really look forward to mailing you a crisp $100 I seriously hope I get to.
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badbob
 
The news just gets better : it now appears the Senate majority might go to the Democrats. I don't think that particularly has much affect on gun issues, but I do think it has massive impact on other issues.

Perhaps the silver lining is that the lefties will really and truly go overboard and show their full selves with so much free reign.

I dunno though. Ach, what a horrible time to be 30.
 
I can't say I even own a semi long gun. I am much more of a lever action guy myself but I would want to be able to buy one if i chose to do so.
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That was the angle I was taking. For MY shooting purposes, those laws you listed wouldn't really affect me.

Sure, you can talk about incrementalism all you want. We can sit and speculate about anything we want. After all, it is just speculation in the end.

My post count and join date make me less credible to have an opinion than you? :rolleyes:

This is a free country, I can disagree (and still fight for the same cause you are) if I please. I'm just not as stuck up about it.

I'm not trying to start a flame war here, I'll stop posting in this thread and remember to keep my opinion to myself next time.
 
For MY shooting purposes, those laws you listed wouldn't really affect me.
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Fantastic.
http://www.telisphere.com/~cearley/sean/camps/first.html

We can sit and speculate about anything we want. After all, it is just speculation in the end.
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Well, we can speculate that the sun might come up tomorrow, but until it does it's just speculation, right? After a certain point, you don't need to be a rocket surgeon to see where legislative trends have been clearly headed. Cripes, Ted Kennedy has been trying to get a ban on 30-30 ammo for the last 15 years. You want to shrug off the possibilities of having loons like this with a majority?

My post count and join date make me less credible to have an opinion than you?
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Not necessarily. What I meant was that a couple of your viewpoints are, frankly, so far off what about 99% of the people on this forum would agree with that it felt troll-ish. There's definitely a correlation between trolls and recent join dates (regardless of what internet forum you're cruising). Just stating historical fact.
 
An ancient toast is "May you live in exciting times." I'd settle for something more mundane myself! Something good may come out of it, we'll see.

I dunno though. Ach, what a horrible time to be 30.
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badbob
 
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