Originally Posted by The Big D
Well, I'll give it to you - you don't understand what you're arguing, but you're doing with lots of pointless pictures
If you really think .270 is suitable for long range, give it a try. You'll find yourself handicapped relative to every single other gun in use because of your own stubbornness.
Well call me a dummy because I DO THINK the 270 is capable for long range.
What is common and successful in long range, the 6.5 Creedmoor.
The Creedmoor using the popular Hornady 140 Gr. A-max at 2700 fps.
At 5000 Ft elv. it goes subsonic at 1500 yards, and with a 10 mph cross wind drifts 10.9 moa
Looking at the 270, using 150 grn Hornady SST or IB, at 2750 fps same alt. goes sub sonic a 1500 yards, the drift at 1500 yards is 12.1 MOA.
The difference is 1.2 moa drift, (5 clicks on a 1/4 moa scope)
Lets look at the 308 in comparison. It is considered a long range rifle. Looking at the M118 LR our military snipers ups, 175 SMK, at 2600 fps, it goes subsonic at 1300 fps the drift if you shot it at 1500 would be 14 MOA.
Tell me again how the 270 wouldn't be a capable long range target rifle.
The difference between the 270 and the other two is action length. The 270 requires a long action where the other two can get buy on a short action.
People on the internet are gonna tell you that the long action cant keep up with the short action in the accuracy department.
I call BS, but instead of my opinion we can compare the Marines M40, its a 308 Short Action. The Army's M24 is basically the same gun but a long action.
We can argue tell the cows come home which is best, it would really depend on whether youre Marine or Army (wont even throw in that nobody beats the Army in the International Sniper Competition).
The 270 was designed for and is an excellent hunting round. It is a late coming in the LR game, but that is because being a hunting round, no match bullets were made for it.
This is still true, Hornady doesn't make an A-Max in .277. But the increase in popularity of long range hunting they make the SST/IB, plus Berger makes the VLD hunting bullet in 277, both can hold their own in the accuracy department including LR Precision Rifle shooting.
Look at the facts, do not rule out the 270 Win as a long range round, if fills the gap between popular 6.5s and 7mm/284s.
You put them in the same target rifle, its as good as most, better then some, worse then some.
I don't know enough about them but 165/175 Gr. 270 bullets are starting to show up, the BC of these bullets will push the 270 into the category of the 300/338 long range match guns.