I've been shooting for a little over a year, mainly at self-defense ranges 3,5,7 yards. So, a few weeks ago, I picked up a couple of new pistols and for whatever reason, I decided to shoot at 25 yards.
M&P9 m2.0 4.25" and Walther PPS M2, both with standard sights. I typically shoot 4 rounds on a silhouette target and then bring it in to look. Typically I can put three out of four in the center mass of the target at 25 yards, somewhere on the chest area to the abdomen area. The fourth is on the white outside of the silhouette. I'm pretty consistent in hitting 3 out of 4 and sometimes get all four.
From what I was told, local LE qualifying requires 75% on the target from this range. I believe they use an IDPA style cardboard cutout. So, based on that, I'm hitting at a qualifying rate.
Obviously, I'm not putting up a 7" group at 25yards. Other than the supposed qualifying rate for local LE, I don't know how to quantify hitting center mass 3 out of 4 times: good, average, or well below average?
Beware that such classes can be a disaster and complete waste of money.As to shooting while moving.... I'm taking a defensive handgun class in two weeks. Shoot from cover, moving, from the ground, getting up while shooting, etc... Should be fun and educational.
Or they cannot be a disaster and complete waste of money. If there are qualified instructors such as yourself out there, my guess is you're not the only one.Beware that such classes can be a disaster and complete waste of money.
Seems these days everyone is a 'combat master' and teaching run & gun courses.
Unfortunately many learned their trade by watching YouTube videos.
I've been training folks some four decades and I often marvel at the crap I see from others. I'm wavered at our local city range and teach private classes there often, usually only one or two students at a time. I see these clowns on adjacent ranges where they've got a dozen or more at $200+ per and it's utterly FUBAR.
I could go on for hours with what I've seen....little to no individual focus, poor technique, no real value, and often dangerous. On the other hand they most often come with a ton of ego, puffing, and blowing of smoke. Be very, VERY, VERY wary! Even many of the big name instructors/classes don't have a lot of value in them, it's simply a business and means to make money for them.
There are some good ones, but they are few and far between.
I'm being kind when I say maybe one out of a hundred are worth the time & money.
Just some free advice to be careful, take it or leave it.
I never said I was the only one.Or they cannot be a disaster and complete waste of money. If there are qualified instructors such as yourself out there, my guess is you're not the only one.
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Accuracy doesn't get better by itself. If all you ever try to do is hit anywhere in an 8" area then that's as good as you're going to get. That's fine until "good enough" isn't good enough.just wait till you start moving around when you are shooting.
Keep up the good work and don't worry so much about measuring your groups. Just hit the target within an 8" square and be glad. Over time it will get better all by itself. Honestly, my groups have always been a mess and it doesn't bother me one bit. The contest is not likely ever going to be "who has the tightest groups". The bottom line that in a SD event, a hit on target is a hit on target.
I'll try harder next time.Next time say 50 yd so we know it's internet worthy.
Nah. Just have to be a very good shot. One of my best friends could do it from a rest, no problem.For “any” pistol to be able to shoot 1-1/2” groups at 25’ in less than ideal ambient conditions, you’d better be carrying a Ransom Rest in your range bag!
The friend noted above once did it with my P239 SAS, which would be like doing it with a DA revolver, from a rest at 25 yards.I have never shot any pistol or revolver that can do that even from a bench rest.
I might still be able to do that, with a little practice. Problem is: Nowhere halfway near, here abouts, to do that any moreI'm not much of a paper puncher but I can hit Coke cans at 25 yards more often than not. One hand no prop.
Used to be I could do that with my revolver. I would not be willing to bet I still could.I used to have a .38 special I could bust gallon milk jugs with at 100 yards so don't say a pistol isn't capable.
You damn betcha my Sig P210 Target could do that day in, day out, with a capable shooter.
He did that for the next string. All 10s.darkgael, you might want to have him check his rear right.