.22 or 9mm for beginner

Re marine6680: I agree with almost everything he has said. We learned to shoot in almost the same way, and have similar philosophies when it comes to teaching new shooters.

YES, just because you learned on centerfire doesn't mean that .22 LR or even airguns are useless. I could shoot dandelions off of at the stalks as a kid. Guess what? Now, I can cut blades of grass with a .22 LR or a 9mm now as an adult. That's from shooting 10,000's of 1,000's of BB's. If you can hit something that narrower than .177 caliber without support with a .177 caliber projectile, you are doing something right. Arguably, a .177 caliber airgun will teach you more about trigger control for the dollar than any other shooting platform.

To the OP: from what you want to learn, self-defense and getting skilled at shooting, the choice is clear. Buy a Buckmark or a Ruger MK I, II, or III or 22/45. Put 1,000 rounds through that or so, then buy a full-sized 9mm. Then do the same with that. Rinse repeat and you will be better than most shooters. Keep the .22 LR for extra practice, fun, and for new shooters. Since you aren't going to carry concealed, you really want to stick with full-sized guns in both the .22 LR and 9mm. Extra mass, longer sight radius, and lower recoil will help speed your learning process. Concealed carry guns are really expert level guns and are very hard to shoot.
 
Too be honest, for a beginner I actually recommend the simplicity of a revolver. Any quality .357 will shoot light .38 target loads all week long. When he/she's more experience, they can move up to the heavier loads.
 
Buy a Buckmark or a Ruger MK I, II, or III or 22/45. Put 1,000 rounds through that or so, then buy a full-sized 9mm.

That seems sort of arbitrary. 1000 rds of 22LR is what prepares a shooter for a 9mm?
 
Re TunnelRat: Exactly 1,000 rounds of .22 LR will prepare you for 9mm. No more no less! You go one over, you will be too used to the low recoil of .22 LR. and you'll flinch every time, but if you go one under that super, duper important 1,000 round-mark, you won't have good trigger control and you will throw your shots by jerking the trigger.

And like others have been saying, once you've fired 1,000 .22 LR, that's the point where you sell your .22 LR. or use it to hold down stacks of paper, because it has no value anymore...

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YES! You are correct, TunnelRat, that was arbitrary. I was just saying 1,000 rounds is a good benchmark. It's the number I pulled from my head for a minimum level of competence on a gun, making my number almost definitionally arbitrary. 1,000 rounds is pretty paltry, but it's a good start.
 
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It is basically smarter for anyone to start shooting with a .22 LR. If you have never had much time on pistol, .22 LR is a much "safer" way of practicing, and what I mean by that is this: it is much easier for a beginner shooter not to develop bad habits. Centerfire handguns all have MUCH more recoil than .22 LR. It's not to say that you CAN'T learn to shoot with a 9mm. I taught my ex-wife to shoot with 9mm and skipped .22 LR (I just didn't own a non-9mm gun at the time), and she did quite well... and she was a 110 lbs petite woman.

But... that being said, now that I do own a good .22 LR pistol, I would NEVER, EVER put a first time shooter on a centerfire gun. My ex did fine, but she is a scrappy little lady and she worked through her problems pretty well, even with +P (she chewed through 200+ rounds of +P in one sitting, no complaints, while I was shooting in another lane!). But, I've developed flinches from firing centerfire guns before. Like you are dragging the gun down too soon BEFORE the gun actually fires. Basically, you are going to learn the raw mechanics of shooting, which most importantly is trigger control. Before you are going to master recoil control, you should really work on trigger control, because this is going to affect your shot placement more than anything.

I liken this unto student teaching (learning to be a teacher). At first, all you can do is work on controlling yourself and getting the students in line. It's not until later that you can refine what you are doing or how you are tweaking your teaching because there are too many factors going on that you don't understand at first and you are too busy getting your lesson plans right. Well, shooting is a bit like that. When firing a semi-auto handgun, there's a lot going on... especially when there is a big distracting explosion in front of your face. Since pulling the trigger itself is the most important part of the skill, it's best to leave off the big explosion (centerfire) until you are consciously aware of what your trigger finger is doing. Once you've mastered that, you can add the complexity of an explosion and recoil.

A .22 LR gun will allow you to learn essentially without recoil and without a pressure wave/explosion.

However, it is not crazy to think that you could learn to shoot on a 9mm. After all, my completely inexperienced ex did it, so could you. But make sure it's a full-sized 4", 5", or 6" barreled gun. An all steel framed gun would be better still. This will mitigate the perceived recoil and give you a full-length sight radius that will aid you in shooting. You could do worse than starting with a 5" 1911 in 9mm or a CZ 75, for sure. Any plastic service gun will also be OK, but not quite as soft-shooting. Also, you might want to avoid porting. I learned to shoot on an aggressively ported Springfield Armory 9mm 4" Service Length XD. It has holes in the barrel, that DO make the gun incredibly soft shooting with really low perceived recoil. But the trade-off was that it created a fairly large pressure wave that I could feel on my face and eyes often causing me to blink. I had to shoot it for thousands of rounds to overcome this almost knee-jerk reaction.

The other feature of 9mm when compared with .22 LR is price. 9mm is much more expensive than .22 LR. Oddly though, during the Great Ammunition Scare, .22 LR has irrationally become the most rare type of ammo, since everybody owns a .22 LR--especially panic-driven middle-aged types who tend to own lots of .22 LR guns and have the disposable income to buy outrageously priced .22 LR. 9mm was also pretty rare for similar reasons, because of its prevalence, but more 9mm was available while .22 LR was non-existent until somewhat recently. That being said, 9mm is a great caliber to learn on since it is the cheapest centerfire pistol cartridge and it is ubiquitous (about $12 to $13 per 50 right now).

Another feature of .22 LR is unreliability. Yes, many people on TFL will chime in to say that they have *NEVER* had a malfunction with .22 LR in their semi-auto guns, but that is generally not the case. Expect occasional jams with .22 LR in QUALITY semi-auto guns (like Ruger Mark II/III or 22/45 or Browning Buckmark). Expect frequent jams in poorly made .22 LR semi-auto guns (like Sig Mosquitos and other Umarex-variety guns). This unreliability is inherent to the .22 LR case. It's rimfire (which is problematic) and the case is thin which allows no room for slight deviations in the case; the long and short of this is that the .22 LR round is never 100% even by better manufacturers. Quality .22 LR will rarely be bad, but cheap .22 LR can have many misfires out of a 500 round brick.

For many years, I loved and shot .22 LR. I've shot multiple .22 LR semi-auto guns into parts breakage, meaning 10,000's of rounds. But I came to learn that it was rarer for me to have a problem-free .22 LR semi-auto than a lemon. If you do buy a .22 LR gun that cycles well, NEVER sell it. I made the mistake of selling my 10,000+ round-count Browning Buckmark. Sure, it had parts fly off the gun during firing. Yeah, I had to repair the gun a number of times, but at the end of my ownership, it ran with bulk, crappy, low-quality .22 LR ammo. That break-in period was worth money in itself, because at the beginning of the life of that gun, it could only run CCI Minimags or other higher velocity .22 LR. Oh, and for a beginning shooter, I'd definitely recommend a Buckmark. They are one of the best factory .22 LR pistols, with one of the best factory triggers. They are easy to maintain and breakdown, too.

Good luck! Have fun! Whatever you buy, shoot it a lot!

Wow. Is that available in hardback? :) My youngest kid is 75lbs and 11yrs and outright owns with a 9mm. And a 22.
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Defense... 9mm is better... but Jersey does not allow hollowpoint ammo I believe, so its not ideal. If you do pick up that shotgun (I think I remember it being mentioned) then that can serve defense duty and a 22 pistol can be a training and range gun. A 22 could even be pressed into service of defense if needed, just use something like the round nose CCI minimags. Its not an ideal choice though.

A shotgun may be the best option for defense since hollow points are out.


Budget is a determining factor here, usually.

If you shop around, a Ruger mark III target can be had for around the $300 range. A standard Buckmark is about the same or a little less, same for the non-target Mark III. The buckmark may be the better choice for a beginner, as it is easier to disassemble and maintain. The ruger can give even experienced users fits on assembly.

A basic pump shotgun in a defense configuration can be had for $250-$350 depending on the brand and shop. You can spend more, but its not needed.

A 9mm pistol can range from $300-thousands... But most of the popular will fit in the $300-600 range. With options from S&W and Ruger in the lower price rung, and walthers in the upper. In between would be things like glock and the m&p.


If you choose to use a firearm for protection, you need a decent flashlight too. You do not need an expensive one, just one that is rugged and shock resistant, with at least 100 lumens and a push button tail cap switch. Just on and off, no fancy strobe function or high low range, unless the other options require special ways to enable it. IE, push and hold to dim, double click to strobe. You dont want to be fumbling with the switch, you will want full bright most of the time. Don't get a flashlight too bright, you can blind yourself with reflected light off the walls. Much more than 200 lumens starts to get into that area, depending on the walls of your home.

Get a decent shotgun light mount... this is why you need a shock proof flashlight, recoil can kill ones that are not.

If you decide to use a pistol for defense, then you can go with a dedicated weapons light... But I prefer a hand held light, for the options it provides. There are techniques on using them with a pistol.


Just my 2 cents worth.
 
Jerey- if it is for home defense and you are new to handguns, then I fully agree with Brian48. Get a revolver such as a Smith and Wesson 357 Magnum with a six inch barrel. It is an "Everything" choice. An semi-auto uses recoil to reload the weapon. That means the power of the load must be strong enough to accomplish this and the nose on the bullet round enough to reliably feed into the chamber.
A revolver is completely different. On the 357 Magnum I mentioned, you can also shoot 38 Specials. There is a target 38 Special called a wad cutter that has no recoil- it's the same as shooting a 22 rimfire and you can practice with that. For home defense, use full powered 357 Magnums. Tests proved it was very high on incapacitation time, I think it came in second right after the 44 magnum.
The 6 inch barrel allows you to more easily hit a target. These "double action" revolvers. You can shoot them in two different ways. Just pull the trigger. That's double action mode and it is a long pull with about a 5-6 pound force. You can also cock the hammer- like with a "six Shooter" and then you have virtually a hair trigger.
The revolver also gives you all sorts of options on a grip. Original, magna, magnum, neoprene, grooved finger styles- You'll find something that fits your hand and allows you to do better shooting.
On the Semi-autos. I also own a variety of them. I love the 1911 and some folks talk about better choices but once again, I like the 1911 because it just fits my hand- I shoot it better.
My personal view- a semi-auto is best for an experienced shooter. I currently have 4 semi auto pistols and they are all great but as I said, I just love the 1911. It would be a possible for open carry on an extended camping trip.
In any event, think about the revolver. You can use the wad cutters to learn to shoot and then the 357 magnum for home defense. And....even in a night drawer the 6 inch barrel will fit fine. If you were going the carry a revolver concealed, then a 4" barrel but for home defense- always go with the longer barrel.
 
For home defense, use full powered 357 Magnums.

So when the OP is new to handguns and is asking between 22LR and 9mm you recommend he go full house 357? Wow I don't know about that.

That's double action mode and it is a long pull with about a 5-6 pound force.

On a revolver with an action job or one where the mainspring has been swapped maybe, but a new production revolver? No way it's going to be 5-6 lbs. DA. More like 10 lbs. or so, maybe 8 lbs. if you're lucky.

My personal view- a semi-auto is best for an experienced shooter.

I think I get where you are going with this in terms of simplicity of operation and likelihood of malfunctions, but I don't think you need to be overly experienced to operate a semiautomatic. A loaded semiauto will likely have at least twice the capacity of a revolver before reloading. I'm not encouraging a spray and pray mentality, but even good shooters miss and new shooters can miss even more. Making hits is the first goal and not having the rounds available to get a hit is a serious concern.
 
Good, more to work with. Now, is there a range near you that rents guns, and offers instructional classes. That would be a perfect place to begin. You can get some professional training on basic safety, and gun handling. Then for much less than spending the money on something you might regret, you can rent several types, and calipers to find what you really want.

Best advice in the 3 pages of this thread at this point. Everything else will get you as many opinions as there are posters. Try out a bunch of stuff and don't limit yourself to your first two options, and try out some revolvers too.
 
Thanks for all the help guys. A lot of information to digest. I appreciate all the time you guys spent in writing your opinions and viewpoints.


I think I'm going to be open minded and goto a range that rents guns as suggested. See what I'm comfortable with BEFORE I buy.

I'm going to be getting a Mossberg 500 for sure to have as a home defense weapon.

The Handgun will be determined by what happens when I visit the range. It's looking for like a .22 to start out with..and maybe in 6 months into something that is more...appropriate for home defense..

Thanks again!

Here's a place I found near me...they're not listing specific models on all what they have..

http://sunset-range.com/firearms/pistols
 
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If you are going to start with a .22 you might want to consider a .45 when you get to a home defense gun. A big slow bullet is probably the best you can do in Jersey. It won't over penetrate as much as 9mm hardball and can stop a threat even without the good ammo. 1911s are usually very sweet shooters but give the higher capacity guns a try too. Good luck. I know it's not easy for gun owners in New Jersey. I'm glad I left it behind!
 
If for self defense I vote for the 9mm. A 22 is a great tool to teach beginners with, but if someone feels they need something to defend themselves with now rather than later for whatever reason. (Crazy ex , etc) then go with what works and get training. Starting out with 115 gr target loads should be a good starting place with instruction.
 
If I had to choose between FMJ pistol rounds, or a shotgun for defense use... I would go with the shotgun.

True, they won't always be the most appropriate choice, as they are a little larger, but they serve well 99% of the time. Definitely better than a pistol loaded with FMJ.
 
buy a 9 now and maybe a 22 later , I like the the 22s for youngsters, and skittish beginners, the whole activity can make one pretty anxious add a loud bang and heavy(ier) recoil and you may just turn them off so we start soft and work our way up. Given the firearms tasks as stated by OP a 9mm might be a better starting point - which one ? there's an ocean of variety to pick from
my wife favors the solid stainless S&W 5906 w/ 15 or 17 round mags she turns into a bullet hose...... she likes it because she can handle it well, she understands the controls and after 1000s of rounds has a descent sa trigger.
She can also handle almost as well both the FNX 9 and FNS L9 groups are only slightly bigger. @ the range we will run through just as much 22 as we do 9 and 45. My son loves the 1911s, my daughter shoots the 22s and maybe a a mag of the others only because I want her to. so 9 or 22 - go 9 first the others will follow soon enough. and if legal in your state buy ammo online and save some $$$

good luck
 
went to the range today with my wife and after coming back from a 2 hour basic pistol course. Money well spent in my opinion. We went over basic pistol operation and safety etc.

Believe it or not, the instructor handed me a glock 19 right off the bat...I questioned if we should start with a .22 and he pretty much shrugged it off..

We both I believe shot pretty good, considering it was a first time for me. The wife shot a Ruger SR22 a few weeks ago and did very well...then also.

I think we're gonna get a 9mm for home defense (of course practice with) and .22 for practice/target shooting.

Will report back soon...

Thanks for the help guys!
 
.22 is just a blast to fire. Loads of good fun and cheap. For that fun reason alone, everyone should have one. It has been incredibly useful for me as an instruction gun to others that have never fired a pistol.

.22 is no longer problematic to find it around here. It's not as freely available as before the panic, but it's not a problem to locate reasonable quality ammo at a reasonable price any more.
 
Glad you got a plan... and some training too.

9mm is a fine round and learning with it is not hard, just watch for bad habits. If the wife does not like it, then the 22 would be good for her.


If you are both learning, and you still plan on a shotgun as well... then I suggest the shotgun as a primary and the pistol as secondary, and possibly used by your wife.

Up to you, there should be some basic courses for defense in the home that may help.
 
...I can read the individuals posts and instantly know what they look like as I have seen so many in the deckades that I have been going to gunshops as I run into two or three every time.

Wouldn't be surprised if there are probably multiple members thinking the exact same thing about you with that one!!

Anyway as for me my first ever gun was a 9mm, my second a .44Mag and only my third a .22.

I would advocate learning on either the 9mm or .22: depends which you enjoy holding most for example. However, if susceptible, learning on a 9mm may produce some flinching that you'd be less likely to get in .22.

As it happens the .22 is the one gun that I have sold that I did not replace with another in the same calibre later, but then I have storage restrictions I must work around.

If 9mm, then I'd say don't go smaller than compact.
 
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