.22 or 9mm for beginner

jerseyfire

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Everyone I talk to has said a .22 handgun is the most recommended gun for a beginner, to get tactics and good habits down. Everyone that has started out, started with a .22" or so they have said.

In talking to a buddy of mine, he said .22 ammo has gotten very tough to come by and there seems to be an ongoing shortage....

Would I be wiser to try a 9mm instead?

Any advice is appreciated!
 
It seems to me that starting out with a .22 is the safe and socially accepted answer. But in reality, there's tons of folks who have started out with whatever was inherited, gifted, bought spur of the moment, whatever the husband/wife already had, etc. And over the years, I bet those ranged from .25ACP all the way up to who knows what. Is that a perfect scenario? No. But can you still learn good handgun skills? If you get good coaching, training, or other guidance- I'm sure you'll do just find and never really notice the difference between being started out on a .22 or a 9mm. And, you will come across a nay-sayer at some point, but the beautiful part is you'll never be labeled a social outcast or anything like that because of it.

Go forth and learn well.
 
It is basically smarter for anyone to start shooting with a .22 LR. If you have never had much time on pistol, .22 LR is a much "safer" way of practicing, and what I mean by that is this: it is much easier for a beginner shooter not to develop bad habits. Centerfire handguns all have MUCH more recoil than .22 LR. It's not to say that you CAN'T learn to shoot with a 9mm. I taught my ex-wife to shoot with 9mm and skipped .22 LR (I just didn't own a non-9mm gun at the time), and she did quite well... and she was a 110 lbs petite woman.

But... that being said, now that I do own a good .22 LR pistol, I would NEVER, EVER put a first time shooter on a centerfire gun. My ex did fine, but she is a scrappy little lady and she worked through her problems pretty well, even with +P (she chewed through 200+ rounds of +P in one sitting, no complaints, while I was shooting in another lane!). But, I've developed flinches from firing centerfire guns before. Like you are dragging the gun down too soon BEFORE the gun actually fires. Basically, you are going to learn the raw mechanics of shooting, which most importantly is trigger control. Before you are going to master recoil control, you should really work on trigger control, because this is going to affect your shot placement more than anything.

I liken this unto student teaching (learning to be a teacher). At first, all you can do is work on controlling yourself and getting the students in line. It's not until later that you can refine what you are doing or how you are tweaking your teaching because there are too many factors going on that you don't understand at first and you are too busy getting your lesson plans right. Well, shooting is a bit like that. When firing a semi-auto handgun, there's a lot going on... especially when there is a big distracting explosion in front of your face. Since pulling the trigger itself is the most important part of the skill, it's best to leave off the big explosion (centerfire) until you are consciously aware of what your trigger finger is doing. Once you've mastered that, you can add the complexity of an explosion and recoil.

A .22 LR gun will allow you to learn essentially without recoil and without a pressure wave/explosion.

However, it is not crazy to think that you could learn to shoot on a 9mm. After all, my completely inexperienced ex did it, so could you. But make sure it's a full-sized 4", 5", or 6" barreled gun. An all steel framed gun would be better still. This will mitigate the perceived recoil and give you a full-length sight radius that will aid you in shooting. You could do worse than starting with a 5" 1911 in 9mm or a CZ 75, for sure. Any plastic service gun will also be OK, but not quite as soft-shooting. Also, you might want to avoid porting. I learned to shoot on an aggressively ported Springfield Armory 9mm 4" Service Length XD. It has holes in the barrel, that DO make the gun incredibly soft shooting with really low perceived recoil. But the trade-off was that it created a fairly large pressure wave that I could feel on my face and eyes often causing me to blink. I had to shoot it for thousands of rounds to overcome this almost knee-jerk reaction.

The other feature of 9mm when compared with .22 LR is price. 9mm is much more expensive than .22 LR. Oddly though, during the Great Ammunition Scare, .22 LR has irrationally become the most rare type of ammo, since everybody owns a .22 LR--especially panic-driven middle-aged types who tend to own lots of .22 LR guns and have the disposable income to buy outrageously priced .22 LR. 9mm was also pretty rare for similar reasons, because of its prevalence, but more 9mm was available while .22 LR was non-existent until somewhat recently. That being said, 9mm is a great caliber to learn on since it is the cheapest centerfire pistol cartridge and it is ubiquitous (about $12 to $13 per 50 right now).

Another feature of .22 LR is unreliability. Yes, many people on TFL will chime in to say that they have *NEVER* had a malfunction with .22 LR in their semi-auto guns, but that is generally not the case. Expect occasional jams with .22 LR in QUALITY semi-auto guns (like Ruger Mark II/III or 22/45 or Browning Buckmark). Expect frequent jams in poorly made .22 LR semi-auto guns (like Sig Mosquitos and other Umarex-variety guns). This unreliability is inherent to the .22 LR case. It's rimfire (which is problematic) and the case is thin which allows no room for slight deviations in the case; the long and short of this is that the .22 LR round is never 100% even by better manufacturers. Quality .22 LR will rarely be bad, but cheap .22 LR can have many misfires out of a 500 round brick.

For many years, I loved and shot .22 LR. I've shot multiple .22 LR semi-auto guns into parts breakage, meaning 10,000's of rounds. But I came to learn that it was rarer for me to have a problem-free .22 LR semi-auto than a lemon. If you do buy a .22 LR gun that cycles well, NEVER sell it. I made the mistake of selling my 10,000+ round-count Browning Buckmark. Sure, it had parts fly off the gun during firing. Yeah, I had to repair the gun a number of times, but at the end of my ownership, it ran with bulk, crappy, low-quality .22 LR ammo. That break-in period was worth money in itself, because at the beginning of the life of that gun, it could only run CCI Minimags or other higher velocity .22 LR. Oh, and for a beginning shooter, I'd definitely recommend a Buckmark. They are one of the best factory .22 LR pistols, with one of the best factory triggers. They are easy to maintain and breakdown, too.

Good luck! Have fun! Whatever you buy, shoot it a lot!
 
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22 rimfire ammo is becoming more easy to find, and even at a price that make those of us who remember pre-Obama prices cringe, it is still a lot cheaper than 9MM. A lot more essential training, and practice can be done with a 22 than a 9MM.
 
+1 on .22. Much more forgiving and cost is muchness, particularly if the new shooter isn't interested.
 
Yes 22 is the best to start on and learn the mechanics. Depending on your budget it may be best to rent a 22 a few times and buy a 9mm. I the ranges around here rental is only $10 or so. You may outgrow it quickly and want more. Although no matter how good your gun skills get you can always improve using a 22.
 
I am going to go against the curve here. I think that the 9mm is just as good to learn. The 22LR is great tool to refine your shooting skills but the fact it has no recoil and very little noise makes it boring and IMHO sets people up for a big surprise when they step up into defense size calibers.

I personally learned on 9mm. Shot a lot of DA/SA Sig P228 before ever owning a 22lr. Solid training with solid practice along with proper dry firing practice will IMHO get you just as far or further than starting with a 22lr.

If someone is not teaching you and training you to shoot the 22LR better there is no reason to believe that you cannot develop bad habits on them just like 9mm. Proper training and perfect practice matter more than anything else.

22LR is getting easier to find but at one time it was no where so if you chose a 22LR you were really not able to shoot much. 9mm was never as bad as 22LR.

Also cost is a major factor. If you are looking to plink only then 22LR might fit all your needs but for most people they also want a house guns/defense gun/carry gun etc... So when you choose 22LR as your first gun you are guaranteeing that you will be getting another larger caliber gun pretty quickly. If you have the coin I recommend getting both to start. Why limit yourself.

The best advice for a new shooter is to get some training that has real trigger time involved. Something where you will shoot 200-300 rounds in a day with instruction. That will put you on the right path. If you cannot do that then at least shoot with a more experienced shooter who is willing to help you out.
 
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Also, purpose would be helpful in giving recommendations.
Learning about guns, and shooting.
Self defense, concealed carry, or home defense.
Recreational shooting.
Where the 22 is and excellent caliber to learn with, and is also well suited to recreational shooting, for a defensive weapon the 9MM would be a better choice. Of course if budget, and/or government restrictions don't inhibit both you could start the learning phase with a 22, then move to a larger centerfire later.
 
The 22 is a good place to learn how to shoot. You have to pay a lot of money to get any center fire to be as accurate as a moderate priced 22 target pistol. An accurate pistol gives true feedback to what you are doing. If the pistol someone shoots is not accurate, you will not be certain if errors are you or the gun. Add to that the ammo costs being less for a 22, it has a lot of advantages.
 
How old is the beginner? I started my niece and nephew when they were three using one of my .22s and a rest. By the time they were five they had grown enough that they no longer needed the rest and could shoot without it.

Did the same with my great nephew and now at seven he shoots a .32 H&R or one of my BP replicas without assistance but he still has his Hawes for inexpensive plinking.
 
I'm kinda with WVsig on this one. I think it would be ideal to learn on a full sized 9mm. Recoil is minimal but something that needs to be part of your training. except for the cost of putting sheer numbers of rounds down range, it would be ideal for all but the most frail of new shooters. Good habits and safety can be learned with snap caps and lots of practice away from the range. It all pretty much depends on the enthusiasm of the one doing the learning.
 
22 is good for nothing.

This is a gun for you correct? Go full throttle with either 9mm, 40sw, 45acp and shoot often.

Do the police train with 22lr? NO

Do the military train soldiers initially with 22lr before shooting 5.56mm nato? NO

NOBODY DOES THAT. Go with one of the big three calibers. You wont regret it.

For what its worth, my first handgun was a big 45acp. I had never fired handguns before. It was all just fine. No 22lr needed.
 
If money were no object, I would have gotten a 22 handgun first. However, I only had enough money for 1 handgun and a 9mm made more sense from a defensive standpoint. I still would like to get a 22 handgun though.
 
A full size CZ with their Kadet unit, or a full size SIG with their 22 conversion unit. The Ciener for the M1911 or Browning HP. That's what I recommend.
 
jerseyfire,

The questions are:
Who is the beginner?

You? A kid? A male? A female?

What is the beginner planning on doing with the firearm?

Self defense? (9mm or larger caliber) Plinking? (.22) Target/Bullseye shooting? (shooters choice)? Shooting sports? (IDPA, IPSC, USPSA, Cowboy, NRA, etc) Hunting?

What kind of tactics are you refering to?

Bullseye? Concealed carry? Room clearing? SWAT? Defensive pistol? Hunting?

Answering some of these questions may help in selecting the right starter firearm.
 
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Go 9 youll do just fine. Go 22 and youll be selling it to buy a 9. Your more likely to come across 9 ammo way more than 22lr ammo with out a 3 box limit 50 rd easy.
 
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