2008 Presidential Candidates?

Right now there is only one guy I would not have a problem voting for, Ron Paul. He believes that the Constitution and the BOR are still valid documents and mean what they say.

The rest of the field are just paying lip service to get votes.

Condi Rice for President? why? I cant think of one reason to elect her besides her support for the Second Amendment. She is part of an administration that has rode rough shod over the Constitution and individual rights and has just about declared the Fourth Amendment null and void. How can a person with her background and education fail to recognize that and not speak out against it? No vote for Condi from me.

I plan to vote for Kinky Friedman in the Texas elections for Governor.

The Republicans are simply generic brands of the same breakfast cereal each with a different twist.
 
Eghad said:
I plan to vote for Kinky Friedman in the Texas elections for Governor.
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I'm with you on that because of how Perry screwed us in the last couple of months and turned in to a RINO. But do NOT forget to vote a straight Republican ticket otherwise or we'll lose a lot of good conservatives in lesser positions.

I'm going with a straight Republican lever pull, and then go to change the governor from Perry to Kinky.
I figure that the Republicans who will (hopefully) continue to control the house will be able to stop Kinky in his tracks with some of his goofy stuff, but dumping Perry should send a message that all other RINO's need to hear.

That's my theory, anyway. :o

Carter
 
Wait wait wait.....Kinky is a real person? I live in Austin so I thought it was all the hippies just having weird bumper stickers. Kind of like "Keep Austin Weird" and such. For a town that is so left there sure are a lot of gun owners about, then again it is Texas. We need to get a gun on our state flag.
 
1. No major party candidate is going to be proactive about guns. The best you can get is someone blocking more outrageous laws. The real strength to block laws is in the Congress. Remember that GWB said he would sign the AWB - making him a brillant politician, liar or antigun - pick your interpretation.

2. If the GOP looses, you can thank Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wulfowitz's pure and staggering incompetence in the Iraq War.

3. Third party candidates that are extremely right wing are just a little howl in the dark and just for grins. They cannot win, but can might be a spoiler if we get a bizarre election like 2000.

4. The one issue vote is getting more and more childlike as we cannot afford candidates who are incompetent just because they may be to our liking on one issue and total losers on others. While gun lists might say that the RKBA is the most important issue of all - that is incredibly naive. I would rather have a competent leader to deal with the world and have the Congress hold back gun legislation than a boob or lunatic just because they like guns.
 
I think that until people stop believing they are throwing their vote away by voting third party,we will never get some one in the White house/Congress who really does care about the Constitution and our Country.
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+1

And I suppose a liberal Democrat is somehow different from what we've got now? Get real.
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+1

The GOP is a sinking ship unless gun owners can rally behind someone solid like Larry Craig (ID) or Tom Tancredo (CO) or Jim Bunning (KY). And that rally is gonna have to happen pretty darn quick now.

I suggest everyone get familiar with these pages:
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_detail.php?sig_id=004054M
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_detail.php?sig_id=003284M
 
please enlighten me because politics are not one of my main interests, but an interest never the less. the Constitution party seems (to me) like a different variation of the republican party. now since im your ordinary non political savvy voter i would think that it would take votes away from the stronger republican party, helping the democrats right? on to the original subject. i like McCain he seems to have the country's best interest at hart, and if he runs for president i will vote for him. if he doesn't run then its whoever has the strongest candidate, which the democrats haven't had one in a long time. if the democratic party would get a backbone and start sticking to there guns on issues that they believe to be right then they would be taken more seriously.
maybe George Bush (41) will run again:D
 
maas said:
please enlighten me because politics are not one of my main interests, but an interest never the less. the Constitution party seems (to me) like a different variation of the republican party. now since im your ordinary non political savvy voter i would think that it would take votes away from the stronger republican party, helping the democrats right? on to the original subject. i like McCain he seems to have the country's best interest at hart, and if he runs for president i will vote for him. if he doesn't run then its whoever has the strongest candidate, which the democrats haven't had one in a long time. if the democratic party would get a backbone and start sticking to there guns on issues that they believe to be right then they would be taken more seriously.
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The Constitution Party is really a mix between today's Republican Party and the Libertarian Party. They're only a variation of the Republicans in that they are more conservative with regard to big government issues and taxation (both are related to each other).

The Democratic Party does not "stick to their guns". Note how quickly top level Democrats will change their positions on issues quickly if they think it will cost them votes. ("I voted for that bill before I voted against it" : said John Kerry).
The only guns they're sticking to is their totally anti-gun position. For me, the 2nd Amendment is the canary in the coal mine for American freedoms so there are no Democrat votes in my future.

The problem with the Democrats today is that they ARE being taken more seriously. That's why they have been out of power for a decade. Interestingly enough, the Party is being taken significantly MORE Left as time goes on rather than to moderate their positions which "might" win them some more electins.

Carter
 
Vote however you want---just know the potential/likely consequences of your actions . It is either going to be a Democrat or Republican that gets elected-you know and I know it. Deny it all u want but it is a fact. Now that said, sometimes you are FORCED to make a decision that isn't good either way(Liver or Frog legs for me ).
So in this example you will have to choose knowing that your 3rd party vote WILL help either the Democrat or Republican candidate. Rest assured it will come down to 2. So go ahead and vote how YOU want, but know that IF the 1 party that you really don't want to get elected----gets elected---then your "wasted" vote will have contributed. I know it su cks but it's the way it is.
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Translation: If you don't vote republican and a democrat wins and the whole country goes to hell, it's all your fault.

:barf: spare me
 
I guess as the thread-starter, I oughta weigh in here. I also like Ron Paul, and if he runs, he has my vote. Last election, I don't mind telling you, I voted for Badnarik, so i guess you could say I'm a 'third party' kinda guy.

As much as I'd love to be able to get behind a true Republican candidate, if it does indeed come down to Hillary, Rudy and McCain, I think I may have to pull a Dale Gribble and go the outlet mall for some Xmas shopping that day!
 
jcoiii,

let me translate since it speaks for itself and you didn't do a very good job------if you don't vote Democrat OR Republican and things don't go right then yes you have yourself to blame. Personally, I think the Republicans are by far the lesser of 2 evils, but if you don't feel the same and you DON'T want a Republican to win---you better not vote 3rd party because it WILL help 1 side or the other.;)
 
MoW: excellent, well-documented posts.

I also agree that, while much better than Clinton, I hope the Republicans put up a candidate much better than McCain.


I think that until people stop believing they are throwing their vote away by voting third party,we will never get some one in the White house/Congress who really does care about the Constitution and our Country.
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Electing third party candidates has to start at the local level and build up. If you start at the vote for the President, one of two things happens: 1) You elect a candidate who has no support in congress; or 2) You elect the worse of two evils.


The only wasted votes are those which are not cast.
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But I also agree with that.


And I suppose a liberal Democrat is somehow different from what we've got now? Get real.
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Totally wrong. Look at the progress we’ve made with RKBA. Not as much as we’d like, but when have we made more progress in the last 100 years ? Under what president before Bush have we made any progress in the last 100 years ?
 
Oh we all know who should be president...

ME! I've got the best campaign going! If you vote for me, all of your wildest dreams will come true! Heck you don't even need to give me money to run my campaign just vote me in, and I'll take care of the rest! I think though that the next president needs to be someone who's not Democrat or Republican, for too long has partyline thinking stifled the Constitution, I think it's definately time for a third wheel badly.


Epyon

P.S: The next president should be Arnold Schwarzneggar. THE PRESINATOR!! :D (Yes, I'm aware he's not U.S. born.)
 
.S: The next president should be Arnold Schwarzneggar. THE PRESINATOR!!
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Arnold is an unelectable petard, and only a good idea to people who base their ideas of who would be a good celebrity ruler based on "cool". I can just see all the 15 year old Junior Republicans talking about how "Cool" it would be for Arnie to be our President.

to god's own crusader against insults to the differently abled: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petard
 
let me translate since it speaks for itself and you didn't do a very good job------if you don't vote Democrat OR Republican and things don't go right then yes you have yourself to blame
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You call what we have now as things going right?

last time I looked we had a Sec Treas with his head so far up a certain part of the Chinese anatomy that if the Chinese stopped quick his neck would be broken. He is looking out for us "Americans" ;)
 
Heist...

It doesn't matter Arnold is the Terminator, not only that HE KILLED A PREDATOR!! HOW HARDCORE IS THAT?! You know how tough those Predators are? Danny Glover shot one like 9 times with a 12 gauge and the thing was still up and running!!:D


Epyon
 
Not to long ago there was a question asked "if Clinton and McCain were the final two Presidential Canadates which one would you vote for and why".

The only response I could muster was this," if it came the the final choice between McCain and Clinton, it is a fact that one would loose, and also a fact that the Country would Be the Biggest Looser".

I would hope to have a Canidate from the Constitution Party Run for office of the President, acording to that party Platform, it would return the Government back to a Republic as it was intended to be in the First Place., and I dought that they could do any worse than the Two Parties that have had a run at it, it is time for a change.
There is at the present time a slim to non chance for the Constitution Party to put up a Presidential Canadate but hopefully in the near future, they may be able to.
http://www.constitutionparty.com/view_states.php, This is the current list of states tat have Constitution Party Canidates and to which offices they are running, Not really a National Party as yet bet with people getting more and more unhappy with the Two Parties at present, who knows maybe the Constitution party and the Liberitarian Party are the next ones to face off.
 
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