howard bleach
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I know it's a little early, but speaking in terms of gun-friendliness, who do you like? Even speaking in a speculative sense, I'm not seeing too many friends of the steel so far, even on the right...
2008 Presidential Candidates?
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This Constitution Party is the third largest party (number of registered voters) in the US behind the Republican and Democrats.
http://www.constitutionparty.com/
It sure would be nice for them to start winning a few local elections to give them some national momentum.
Carter
http://www.constitutionparty.com/
It sure would be nice for them to start winning a few local elections to give them some national momentum.
Carter
And now look at the mess we have in Houston with Tom Delay pulling out and the Dems suing to not let him be replaced by another Republican candidate.
This district is overwhelmingly Republican, but the tactics used by the Dems here will almost insure that a Democrat "represents" a mostly Republican district. What a bunch of s***.
At the moment, the only choices that Republicans have is to either vote for the Libertarian candidate (the only other name on that ballot) or to not vote at all (likely what will happen for the most part).
Either scenario will likely result in the Democrat winning.
It would have been nice to have a Constitution Party candidate in this race at least to give Republicans a real conservative to vote for.
On the other hand, I will be voting for the Libertarian which wouldn't be a bad deal. I just don't know how that will play out with the rest of the Republicans here in the district.
I would be very pleased if the Libertarian party starting dumping a few million dollars into campaigning in Houston just before the election.
Carter
Right about now I find it very hard to imagine that I will be voting Republikrat. One's about as bad as the other, especially if we are talking Pataki or Giuliani or even McCain.
I'm with CDH & Doug, and already reregistered as Constitution Party.
It's time to stock up on weapons & ammo now, people.
I'm with CDH & Doug, and already reregistered as Constitution Party.
It's time to stock up on weapons & ammo now, people.
1. Not true
2. You need to do more research
McCain is best of the 3, but 10x better then Hillary. Let's take a look:
Hillary--Keep guns away from people who shouldn’t have them. (Sep 2000)
Limit access to weapons; look for early warning signs. (Sep 2000)
License and register all handgun sales. (Jun 2000)
Tough gun control keeps guns out of wrong hands. (Jul 1999)
Gun control protects our children. (Jul 1999)
Don’t water down sensible gun control legislation. (Jul 1999)
Lock up guns; store ammo separately. (Jun 1999)
Ban kids’ unsupervised access to guns. (Jun 1999)
Voted NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)
McCain---Ban cheap guns; require safety locks; for gun show checks. (Aug 1999)
Supports ban on certain assault weapons. (Aug 1999)
Voted against Brady Bill & assault weapon ban. (Aug 1999)
Guns are a problem, but so are violent web sites & videos. (Aug 1999)
Punish criminals who abuse 2nd Amendment rights. (May 1999)
Youth Violence Prevention Act restricts guns for kids. (May 1999)
Repeal existing gun restrictions; penalize criminal use. (Jul 1998)
Voted YES on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)
Voted NO on background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted YES on more penalties for gun & drug violations. (May 1999)
Voted YES on loosening license & background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted YES on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks. (Jul 1998)
Also, yes to ALLOW citizens to carry concealed guns.
1 thing you must remember people. Being anti gun falls into 2 categories---
1. Hillary--who would be proactive in banning guns
2. Guiliani---who might personally go against guns, but it isn't his objective
McCain seems to be pretty even IMO---certainly not as pro as I would like but definetly worthy if he's competent on other issues.
Like trampling all over our First Amendment rights to political free speech? Yep, he was definitely competent there. I'm sure we could count on him to protect our Second Amendment rights as well.
Glad you're such a loyal Republican. But before you go pulling the mayor's lever you might want to ask him about this little nugget:
Sunday, March 2, 1997 Good morning. It has been a week since the terrible tragedy that happened last Sunday at the Empire State Building. And even as we grieve for the families and our hearts and prayers go out to them, perhaps we can use this senseless tragedy to re-energize the fight for gun control.
Or this one:
Or these:
Thanks for your additional "research" MoW, but I'll stand by my opinion.
Wildalaska
Moderator
My three chhoices:
1. Condi Rice
2. Condi Rice
3. Condi Rice
I'd gag and vote for Mccain if I had too
No one else is worth it. Id vote for Shillary before I voted for some of the other nuts mentioned in this thread.
WildpartyticketAlaska
1. Condi Rice
2. Condi Rice
3. Condi Rice
I'd gag and vote for Mccain if I had too
No one else is worth it. Id vote for Shillary before I voted for some of the other nuts mentioned in this thread.
WildpartyticketAlaska
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If you really were to bring a person like McCain out of the Democrat party and open him to all sides I am sure you could find him closer to be a Centrist than a Leftist.
The fact that he voted yes to CCW is a promise for gun owners if he was the Democrat who were to win.
I really don't see how people can stick to one party because it's so narrow visioned, if we all stayed in the Center and did what was the best efficient way to solve an issue at any given time we would be moving along much quicker.
The Rightists are certainly more efficient than the Leftists but not by a mile in any manner, they are just prefered by us because we are gun owners and the Left is normally strongly anti-gun which is absurd in every way, the Left also has a horrible track record with war and national security and that is another reason we tend to go too far Right as a group(gun owners).
The fact that he voted yes to CCW is a promise for gun owners if he was the Democrat who were to win.
I really don't see how people can stick to one party because it's so narrow visioned, if we all stayed in the Center and did what was the best efficient way to solve an issue at any given time we would be moving along much quicker.
The Rightists are certainly more efficient than the Leftists but not by a mile in any manner, they are just prefered by us because we are gun owners and the Left is normally strongly anti-gun which is absurd in every way, the Left also has a horrible track record with war and national security and that is another reason we tend to go too far Right as a group(gun owners).
OK, surely you fellows would agree that when it comes to guns there are practically NO differences between Hillary, Kerry, Edwards, Obama, Giuliani, or Pataki, right??
So what you guys seem to be saying is that you're willing to trust John McCain, a C+ NRA-rated candidate as the "best" choice for gun owners??
The SAME guy who has already DEMONSTRATED his willingness to trample on our arguably most important other Constitutional right, that of Free Speech??
I've always heard it said that when it comes to Amendments it takes the Second to insure the First. You guys have probably heard that, right? Nowhere is our right of free speech so important as in our right to discuss our own government and the candidates for its highest offices. Well if the First Amendment is so watered down by campaign finance "reform" as to be rendered moot, do we really need a strong Second Amendment? This is a rhetorical question. But you see where this leads, don't you?
Your buddy John McCain has perhaps forever ensured that only the richest, most "elite" (read: corrupt) members of the two-party establishment can play the game. Hence, the effective merger over the past several years of the two Republicratic parties into the present-day political oligarchy that we now witness.
And now you're already willing to make the same leap of faith that McCain wouldn't do to the Second Amendment what he already did to the First? The same guy who's repeatedly espoused the continued need for an AWB? The same guy who supported the interests of the Brady Campaign 14% of the time in 2003, but supported the interests of Gun Owners of America 0% of the time in 2003 - 2004??
Sorry, friends, but the last time gun owners took a leap of faith, we got none other than GWB. Sure, the ban expired, but that was probably the ONLY good thing we've gotten out of him. And now you want to turn the reigns back over to another gun-banner?? Please.
There are way better choices than John McCain, folks. We had better find him or her NOW, and get behind them because right now we are in a lose-lose situation. The fact that we don't have better choices is the direct result of John McCain himself, so he will never get my vote.
So what you guys seem to be saying is that you're willing to trust John McCain, a C+ NRA-rated candidate as the "best" choice for gun owners??
The SAME guy who has already DEMONSTRATED his willingness to trample on our arguably most important other Constitutional right, that of Free Speech??I've always heard it said that when it comes to Amendments it takes the Second to insure the First. You guys have probably heard that, right? Nowhere is our right of free speech so important as in our right to discuss our own government and the candidates for its highest offices. Well if the First Amendment is so watered down by campaign finance "reform" as to be rendered moot, do we really need a strong Second Amendment? This is a rhetorical question. But you see where this leads, don't you?
Your buddy John McCain has perhaps forever ensured that only the richest, most "elite" (read: corrupt) members of the two-party establishment can play the game. Hence, the effective merger over the past several years of the two Republicratic parties into the present-day political oligarchy that we now witness.
And now you're already willing to make the same leap of faith that McCain wouldn't do to the Second Amendment what he already did to the First? The same guy who's repeatedly espoused the continued need for an AWB? The same guy who supported the interests of the Brady Campaign 14% of the time in 2003, but supported the interests of Gun Owners of America 0% of the time in 2003 - 2004??
Sorry, friends, but the last time gun owners took a leap of faith, we got none other than GWB. Sure, the ban expired, but that was probably the ONLY good thing we've gotten out of him. And now you want to turn the reigns back over to another gun-banner?? Please.
There are way better choices than John McCain, folks. We had better find him or her NOW, and get behind them because right now we are in a lose-lose situation. The fact that we don't have better choices is the direct result of John McCain himself, so he will never get my vote.
Vote for the third party, or vote for the greater evil in hope of making the worst happen while you're still alive in order to rise up against it. Unfortunately Hillary has (perhaps temporarily, perhaps pragmatically) adopted some helpful outlooks on certain situations that might balance out any negative things she would do in terms of steering this nation toward a partial collapse and reconstruction.
Wow, talk about OVERDRAMATIZATION! Our first amendment rights aren't going anywhere and as you said, he is the best of the rest on the 2nd. Again I'll repeat----HE would never be proactive(unlike Hillary) in the banning of guns. Again--NOT PROACTIVE. As far as what choices you have--well what you see is what it will be
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