2 Year old gun sold as new

IMO if a gun is purchased and fired it is no longer new. thats why we see alot of ads saying LNIB. the only way for a gun to be new is for it to come from the factory and sold. on the other hand if I bought a Colt 1911 model something somthing somthing, never fired it I would consider it new.

the questions are do you like the gun? did you get hosed on the price? and what kind of condition is it in?

New and New to me are two different things remember
 
Good to hear that dealer had enough integrity remaining to give you a hassle free refund. Unfortunately there are some who will make it as difficult as possible for you to get just that.
 
NYPD13 said:
I would not consider a few rounds to be usage, case in point, your new car was at some point driven off a carrier and onto the lot at which you purchased it. Does that mean there's no such thing as a "new car"?
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I can see where the OP is coming from. New means new. In my book that's never being fired outside of the manufacturing/QA process and never owned in a personal capacity (allowing for ownership but not usage by the retailer/wholesaler). I have nothing against pre-owned guns, but I take all kinds of issue with a dealer who does not disclose the difference between a "new" product and one that is pre-owned.

In your example, the few miles put on a car in the process of manufacturing, delivery and test drives does not compare to the ownership process. Would you see a difference in a brand new car with 100 miles on it from test drives and the same car, owned by a person for 2-years but only used to drive one-tenth of a mile to work every day? Same mileage, vastly different usage pattern.

A gun that has been owned for two years has likely been out of its original packaging and lugged around for a good part of that time. That's a *lot* different from the same gun just off the delivery truck, as far as I'm concerned.

Oh, and any dealer who does not disclose that sort of information when selling a product as *new* is kind of slimy in my book.
 
+1 to Malamute; and for what it's worth, yeah, I wouldn't say new or NIB, but LNIB would be okay.....and for the right price, I'll be glad to take it.
 
+1 cheapshooter

If happy with the gun, keep it, but I would go astep further, and let him know my intentions of letting my friends know he is selling used as new. That way, maybe he cleans up his act a bit.
 
New, Like New, New & worn, 100%? and Honesty in Sales

New, Like New, New & worn, 100%? and Honesty in Sales
Gideon46 said:
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I'd be polite and then leave and I wouldn't argue or debate with a liar.

I do think it's right and even good to give honest feedback to businesses as long as you take the high road while doing it.
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Is there room in your philosophy for repentance, reformation and forgiveness?

Suppose the retailer, apologizes, says "You are right, I was wrong. I had a moral lapse, and will never do it again." And he does it in such a way that you believe him. Would you give him another chance?

If your answer is "No", then I have to ask you what is the point of giving honest feedback using the high road?

Just my two cents' worth.
bob.a said:
If a gun sits in a retailer's case and is handled by a dozen prospective customers and then is sold, it's still considered new, though it might have picked up some wear from handling. Is it really "new"?
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Any gun that did not come straight from the factory (wholesalers and jobbers don't count) to the retailer and also is not in 100% condition, is not "New" Even if it qualifies in every other way, it (in my mind) requires the qualification of its biography. So, "(unequivocally) New" is the norm. "New, with qualifications (read the biography) for everything else that is not unequivocally used.

I bought a new gun that had spent 16 months in the retailer's showcase and picked up a few deep scratches and lost half of its rear sight. It was "New", but lightly damaged. What would you call it, if not "New, with this biography". I have a couple of guns that are absolutely in the same condition as when I bought them (retail), right down to the molecular level. They are better than "LNIB". But since they have been owned by a retail buyer... they are not "New", but..they are "New, with this qualification".

So, there are my opinions.

Lost Sheep
 
Any gun that did not come straight from the factory (wholesalers and jobbers don't count) to the retailer and also is not in 100% condition, is not "New"
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You do realize that (with a couple exceptions) gun makers do not sell directly to the retailer. They sell to a distributor who buys in large quantities. The retailers then buy from the distributors.

Jim
 
I'd say that depends on what you did with it. If you took it home and left it in the box, it's as new as the day you bought it for all intents and purposes in the gun world. If you took it out regularly, left it loaded in the nightstand, carried it in a holster even once, or fired it even once, then I'd agree with you.
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Nossir, I can't agree. If I holstered it- once- or fired it- once- I could make it look as if it had never been carried or fired. All you have is my word that it was never carried once or fired once. It should automatically never be considered "new" in your example, in my opinion

if it is an item that sat on a shelf for two years at a retailer, then yes, it is new

"Like new" and "new" are two distinctly different things.
 
It is not unusual to see guns in the bigger stores like Walmart set in storage for years before being sold. Several years ago I bought a new Marlin from K-Mart that was close to 10 years old. The fact that it had a 10 year old price made the decision for me. When the California stores stopped selling guns they shipped the inventories to states still selling guns.

If the dealer took the gun out of inventory and kept it in his personal safe still in the box for a couple of years and then decided to sell it, it is the same as a gun setting in the back room in inventory for 2 years. I wouldn't worry about the gun, But the dealer should have informed you of the circumstances.

I would make my decision on what was best for me financially. If he offered a discount that was worth it to me I would go for it if I liked the gun. If I could return the gun and do better elsewhere that is what I would do.
 
I guess it all boils down to BUYER BEWARE! Buying from PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS
I also was recently Hoodwinked,Screwed,what ever you want to call it. I answered an ad for a Glock 19 w/factory laser. Athought the ad did not say NIB it did say in the box. It had all the papers in a packet,never opened and cleaning stuff had never been used,and the first fired case from the factory was also in the box never opened . It was the latest box. It lead me to believe the gun was only 6 months old.
I never checked the serial number tag on the box against the numbers on the gun. I took it to a Glock armor to have a hi cap mag grip extension put on,and then I was told by the Glock Armor that the gun was 20 yrs old,not 6 months old as the box indicated, and the laser was not a Glock factory install as claimed by the ad.
I called the guy,but he will not return my calls. There is nothing wrong with the gun,its just the principle of the thing. I also could have purchased a NEW GLOCK for what I paid for this one 20 yrs old.
So a Word to the wise. CHECK all the numbers.Do your research before you buy. It is sounds and looks to good to be true, Walk away.
LESSON LEARNED And Im old enough to know better.
ONE GOOD thing came of this .
I get an UPGRADE from GLOCK for Free and it will be LIKE NEW when the Glock TECH is finished.
 
glad you got it worked out....not very good for repeat business...

I like it when I find "new" old stock...go in and ask "What you got in the back of the safe?" You would be suprised at what some shop owners will have...:D
 
Lomax
I kinda worked this one out on my own. I just figured I like the gun and the thought of goin ta court didnt really appeal to me. I related my story to warn others,even when buying from a dealer CHECK THE NUMBERS. DO YOUR HOMEWORK. Make sure you are getting what you are paying for.
Thanks for neat idea OF askin if the dealer has any NOS in the back . Might save ya some bucks.
Roger
 
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I'd ask the dealer to shave the 'new' cost to 'used' cost or just return it. Better business bureau might have something to say. Might want to list that dealer so all in the area know what happened.....................
 
I’ve not found the Better Business Bureau to be a lot of help. Perhaps the key to them is their name (think about it).

I understand from the OP that the dealer “made it right”. I also sense that it came about because of a misunderstanding of “new”. Someone mentioned cars as an example. Have you ever bought a demonstrator car? It’s titled as new in spite of the miles on it, not many miles, but still it has been used by a salesman and test driven by potential customers.

Okay, so the dealer’s idea of new isn’t really valid. He got an education and so did the OP.

If I was in a similar situation and the dealer did not make it right I’d be torqued. If the dealer did make it right I’d cut him some slack. I might be wary of him in the future but I’d not write him off forever.
 
i have

ive bought a winchester feather weight ss. 270wsm with claw extractor . i never fired it . say i want to sell this gun . i would say this is a never fired gun i bought 2 years ago i have the box papers and all . is there something wrong with this
 
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