2 Dozen FTF With Winchester White Box!?!

I'd take the offending rounds and check the depth of the primers and compare them to rounds it fires at 100%. Then I'd check the firing pin protrusion. A primer that is set on the deep side of tolerance and a firing pin on the short end of tolerance can cause this.

This ammo is made cheap by lowering QC and opening tolerances. So the brass they might use in rounds intended for SD is not the same as used in rounds intended for target. That is a QC and tolerance sense. So I would expect the tolerance on punching the primer pocket is a good bit larger than an SD round.
 
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"Interesting guess, except the pistol I describe above is hammer-fired."

Your pistols are the S&W Body Guard 380's. Yes these are hammered pistols and they have a history of issues like breaking the firing pin and light strikes.

Having been in manufacturing most of my life if the design wasn't right to begin with fixing it in production is usually band aid or workaround fix, (Mickey Mouse). To scrap the design or do a total makeover would be very costly.
 
" Not to mention there are millions of striker fired pistols in service today without this problem. "

Popularity of a product has little to no relationship with reliability, in other words it generally isn't a selling point. If reliability were priority we would all be packing Beretta 92's. :eek:
 
Iv shot hundreds of Winchester white box through my P89 a friend of mine has a SR9 and has had no problem with them .
I would start to look at the upgrades done to the firearm , could have been a bad batch of ammo . In my opinion the numbers of SR9's and the number of WWB's fired point to changes made to the firearm .
 
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" Not to mention there are millions of striker fired pistols in service today without this problem. "



Popularity of a product has little to no relationship with reliability, in other words it generally isn't a selling point. If reliability were priority we would all be packing Beretta 92's. :eek:
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Reliability isn't a selling point? What? Where do you get this? Can you point me to something that proves that the 92 is the pinnacle of reliability?

My point was that there are millions of striker fired pistols out there that do not suffer this problem. One example or a number of anecdotal examples of ones that do have this problem is hardly proof to condemn an entire type. I'm taking about the actual percentage of pistols with problems and for that matter you continue to ignore the fact that this pistol is behaving abnormally and was modified by the owner.

Listen I have gathered from my previous discussions with you that you don't care for striker fired pistols. Fair enough. However your own bias is not proof of any inherent flaw in a design, unless you have something to offer that is more than anecdotal. For that matter given our previous discussions I'm not convinced you completely actually understand how striker fired pistols function. You seem to be under the impression that the lighter trigger pulls of striker fired pistols mean that the primers will always be hit with inadequate force. I've explained before but I'm not sure you get that the striker spring is pre-cocked by the motion of the slide, similar to how the hammer on your 745 is cocked in SA. You don't need a heavy trigger pull for a good primer hit.
 
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The point is to stop yapping about it and start analyzing it. The most logical place is the relationship between the firing pin and the primer of the offending rounds. So that mean analyzing at that point including how deep the primer pocket is punched on the decapped case.

Otherwise you are just urinating in the wind.
 
^ who are you talking to? I've been giving the OP a method to test what the cause might be for a number of posts, but his appearance is very sporadic and then other people show up and throw curve balls from the grandstands.

I read your comments on checking the primer depth. I haven't seen any pictures of the fired cases nor comments about them so my assumption was they seemed normal (I would think if the OP considers removing the striker a part of his general field strip then it would occur to him to look at the primers). I don't know if the OP even still has the fired brass or not and from his explanation he kept trying the rounds until they fired and they did fire. If the primers were seated too deep or his firing pin too short then all the retries in the world shouldn't have resulted in them firing eventually. As for range ammo vs. SD ammo, even 12% failure to fire is in my experience unheard of with even the cheapest range ammo.
 
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We shoot Glock 23's with that WWB garbage. We get a number of misfires out of the thousands we shoot. I took some apart and found the pockets punched all the way out to .129. It was either set too deep or not fully seated.

You could put it back in the same gun and sometimes it goes, sometimes not. Put it in a different gun and it has no issue.

I figure the anvil is pushed out of the cup and that eats up the firing pins inertia, or the primer is driven in.

Of course if you search the topic you will find a number of people making this complaint. I think in this case the OP found the one combination that does it in his gun.

Noting that he says he has everything Galloway has would mean the Smooth it kit. Advertised to Lighten. So take that out and return it to original, see what happens.
 
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We get a number of misfires out of the thousands we shoot.
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A number out of thousands isn't 12/100. 12% is pretty extreme.

You could put it back in the same gun and sometimes it goes, sometimes not. Put it in a different gun and it has no issue.

I think in this case the OP found the one combination that does it in his gun.
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That's why folks suggested trying another box of WWB from a different lot to see if it is WWB in general or just a bad batch.

Noting that he says he has everything Galloway has would mean the Smooth it kit. Advertised to Lighten. So take that out and return it to original, see what happens.
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Both I and a number of others have already made that suggestion. We're not just "yapping", we've analyzed as well.
 
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Remember folks, this should be about the OP's Ruger, not your Glock, CZ, or other gun, using a particular box/lot of Winchester ammo.
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So you must have the root cause of the problem then?

If you read the title of the thread, it suggests there is an issue with WWB ammo. And some of the early posts suggested such.
 
Well, the OP essentially re-engineered a major component of the system. The removal of the mag disconnect doesn't really effect anything but changing the inertia of the firing pin does.

I see it like building a high performance engine. You give up the ability to use Joes-cheapo-gas down on the corner. Oh it may run that most of the time but when you get to a batch that is on the extreme end of the spectrum it becomes a rattle trap of knocks and pings.

Just another trade off, pick your poison. If you want 100% reliability return it to its stock specs. He built a range gun where it really doesn't matter if it fails sometimes, it is certainly not a carry gun in its current configuration.
 
Never had a FTF issue with WWB. Each time I buy a new gun, I feed several magazines of different brands of ammo thru it to see which gives me the best performance, accuracy, and to determine how much residue it leaves behind. I no longer use WWB in determining which ammo to buy. I find it to be highly inaccurate and very dirty.
 
Strictly as a data point - do you have another gun that you can use to shoot the same ammunition? If so, shoot 100 rounds of the ammunition and find out the failure rate in that gun. That may give you a better idea if the failures are gun or ammunition related.
 
The jury is out. Picked up 2 boxes of Perfecta ammo from Walmart which I've use before. I sent 100 rounds down range as fast as the indoor range will allow. Not a single ftf, or the slightest hiccup!!
 
The jury is out. Picked up 2 boxes of Perfecta ammo from Walmart which I've use before. I sent 100 rounds down range as fast as the indoor range will allow. Not a single ftf, or the slightest hiccup!!
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That can be really frustrating. I also have a "problem gun."

I have a SIG P229 that will run any ammunition except Armscorp. The extractor claw slips off of the base and the empty brass stays in the chamber about every 7-8 rounds. I've tried seven other brands of ammo, and all bullet weights and the gun functions 100% - but, no-go on the Armscorp.

Conversely, the Amrscorp will work in: SIG P938, EMP, XDm, HK P30, HK VP9, and a Glock 43.

My answer is to not use the Armscorp in the P229 - you may want to take the same approach - just don't use the WWB in your gun.
 
The jury is out. Picked up 2 boxes of Perfecta ammo from Walmart which I've use before. I sent 100 rounds down range as fast as the indoor range will allow. Not a single ftf, or the slightest hiccup!!
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I guess I don't get why you did this. You tested a type of ammo that you already knew worked fine instead of testing more WWB which would have told you if it what happened before was just a bad box or something about that brand and your pistol. I guess it shows the pistol isn't completely broken, but it doesn't really answer answer anything about why what happened.
 
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