Hi bullfrog99,
No worries. I suppose I was just a bit irritable last night.
i understand the whould cartrige conversion thing, add a more powerful spring a new barrel, and pay out the but when you could just go out and buy a bigger gun.
Many would have you believe that is simply a spring change to do the conversion. However, for extended
safe operation barrel replacement is recommended in most cases and necessary in many.
i am just simply looking for a gun that will last forever, and work in a pinch for both a deer, or punching holes in bad guys. i beleive that the 10mm is a better hunting cartrige, but feel that the 45 acp is better for defense(nice big hole)
The 10mm is marginal on deer, and should only be used on such at very close range. Best if loaded with one of the heavy FPJ's for this, as penetration is a problem that must be overcome. Though the 10mm does do better here than the .45ACP.
The 10mm is an excellent defensive round as well. In fact, IMHO, it edges out the bigger hole of the .45ACP. Reason being, the big hole does no good if it doesn't go deep enough. Though we all have our own opinions on this.
Would I feel under armed with a .45ACP for self defense? Not really, just feel better armed with the 10mm.
Also, incase you have not heard, the use of lead bullets in a Glock Polygonal barrel is not recommended. Yes, you will hear many say they have done it with no problems. You will read that it is one of the possible causes leading to Kb's in Glocks. They choice is yours, just be advised it is recommended against. And yes Kb's have been documented in both the 10mm and the 45ACP as well as the 40S&W's from Glock.
Be cautious with using handloaded ammo for self defense. It can kill you in court should you ever use it for self defense. The same can be said for a modified or converted weapon. I personally recommend against using handloaded ammo for SD and recommend a factory stock pistol. Some tune-up work to help ensure reliable feeding and functionality could be acceptable though. I personally just hate to give the prosecution more ammo (pun intended) to use against me in court should it ever come to that. Again these are just my personal views and opinions
Then as you mentioned, There is always another "bigger" gun
LOL
ROCK-n-GLOCK,
My Bad on the 40 Super.
I have heard some talk on this cartridge but hadn't researched it myself. Was going of something that was told to me by an obviously unreliable source, thus the error in my earlier post. However, after my earlier post I did some research on it, and found I was definitely in error with my statement regarding the 40 Super in my earlier reply. However, this still requires re-barreling and costly conversion to this caliber.
In regards to loading shouldered cases like the .357 Sig., .40 Super, .400 Cor-Bon, and .440 Cor-Bon. There are no carbide dies available for these that I have found as of yet. That means lubing the cases is necessary. So these, IMHO, are far more of a pain to load compared to the strait walled cartridges like the 10mm, 45ACP, 45 Super, the as of yet released 45 SMC, and the 460 Rowland that carbide dies are available for.
As for my "Give me a break" statement. It hasn't even been released yet. Recommending the purchase of a particular caliber based on the fact it can be converted to an as of yet unreleased wildcat! Well that was the reason for my statement.
Yes, in a way the 10mm was a wildcat. It was basically Jeff Cooper's brain child. By 1984 Factory ammunition was available from Norma and the Dornaus & Dixon Bren-Ten was released as a factory available gun to fire it. Not, hey here is a cartridge you can Convert your gun to fire. And not some ammo company making a cartridge that someone else's gun can be Converted to fire, in the hopes that one of the major firearms manufacturers would pick up the cartridge and begin marketing firearms in that caliber. The 10mm almost died a short lived life and probably would have if Colt hadn't picked up the cartridge and designed the Delta Elite to handle it. There was also the offspring wildcat the 10mm Mag. of which brass is still available for. Quite a formidable round (175gr bullet @ 1549fps) and even had a gun available for it.
I really do not see any of the major ammunition manufacturers or firearms manufacturers picking up either the 45 Super or the 450 SMC. Reason for this is the ability to chamber these rounds in a .45ACP's pistol not modified for or recommended to fire this round. Too much of a liability clause there. Not saying they are a bad round, just that they will always remain a wildcat, so to speak.
I can understand you feeling that you are giving beneficial info. And who am I to argue that fact. However, most people (the majority anyway) do not buy a gun because it can be converted to something else. Yes, it is nice to know that one can do such, but as a general rule is not the reason a person will choose a gun or cartridge.
Yes my mistake on the 40 Super, and your mistake on the 460 Rowland. I say we are even on that one.
Trust me, I try not to take things confrontational or as flames. And I try not to give them that way either. Though that is sometimes hard to accomplish on bulletin boards where tone of voice and facial expressions are not part of the equation. I am always willing to discuss things though.
Yes, I am sure that if we were to hang out and talk guns or whatever, we would get along. No we would probably not agree on everything, wouldn't be human if we did. LOL
As I said at the start of this post, I suppose I was just a bit irritable, bad day ya know. I apologize for bringing that here and I usually don't, just we all slip at times.
Off the topic of this thread a bit:
I do like the 460 Rowland cartridge a bunch. And I think that the "Stainless Kimber Classic in .45ACP with the 460 Rowland Drop-In Comp kit" That Clark Custom Guns sells as a complete and matched gun kit for $1074 is an excellent deal!!
While I do love my Glocks, I personally feel that the 1911 format is a much better one to use for doing conversions on. Many more possibilities and variations available. JHMO, you understand.
Cheers
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Keep It In The 10 Ring,
Michael
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." - Sir Winston Churchill