10mm auto advice ?
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Shot a Delta Elite when they first came out in 1988 or '89, using Norma ammo. (Wasn't anything else then.) Wasn't any different than shooting factory .45 ACP. Wasn't exactly impressive either. Different thing now. More bullet selection.
Can't say as I'd buy any 10mm over a .45 ACP. However, the one to buy is no different than buying any handgun. It's the one that fits your hand best.
"...per Col. Jeff Cooper..." Who was decidedly wrong about most stuff he babbled about.
Can't say as I'd buy any 10mm over a .45 ACP. However, the one to buy is no different than buying any handgun. It's the one that fits your hand best.
"...per Col. Jeff Cooper..." Who was decidedly wrong about most stuff he babbled about.
I see what your saying, but I can equally say that you don't NEED to relegate yourself to weak downloaded ammo for practice. What you do works for you, and that's fine. Personally, for me, the point of having a 10mm is to shoot 10mm out of it. As I said, I have numerous weaker caliber options for that range session if I don't want want to shoot full house 10mm.
If you what you want is to only occasionally shoot full 10mm, then an older Delta Elite will probably be fine. My initial comment was pretty much just a word of caution that some 10mm pistols don't like high round counts of full-house 10mm. Some 1911s and EAA Witnesses being 2 well documented examples. IMO it is at least worth the OPs consideration to think about. If his plan is to practice with downloaded ammo and rarely shoot full power loads, most any platform will serve him well. Or maybe he has the same philosophy as I. I did not desire to get into a philosophical debate of what you, the OP, or I "NEED" to do in regards to our shooting habits.
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Much of the chat above is exemplary of my point about 10mm--few if any other cartridges I'm aware of are the source of any concerns about 'watered down' or 'underpowered loads'. In other words, 'plinker' loads for 44 Mag--totally accepted and reasonable, shooting 44 Special in 44 Mag, totally acceptable and 'normal', plinker loads for 357--no problem, light target loads for 45 Auto--the norm. But mention the idea of anything less than 200 gr at 1300 fps in 10mm, and folks ask why you'd bother. And it seems the "real 10mm Norma" load keeps getting bigger than life over the years as well.
I'm not at all saying I feel folks should discuss or not discuss anything--only that my impression is that 10mm is the ONLY cartridge where I've ever noticed this topic come up. You know? I never see a "why would you go to all that trouble to buy a 44 Mag then shoot mostly 44 Special in it?".
I'm not at all saying I feel folks should discuss or not discuss anything--only that my impression is that 10mm is the ONLY cartridge where I've ever noticed this topic come up. You know? I never see a "why would you go to all that trouble to buy a 44 Mag then shoot mostly 44 Special in it?".
My whole point is not that it is unacceptable to shoot plinking loads in a 10mm. My point is that full-power 10mm is rough on a hand-gun, and there have been well-documented issues with some designs before even high round counts were reached. If I buy a 10mm handgun, I want it to be good for many thousands of rounds of 10mm (full power type). I expect the same thing when I buy a 357mag, or 44mag, or any other firearm. If we could only expect a few thousand rounds of full-power loads out of a 357 revolver, many wheel-gun owners would balk. But if the issue is brought up with a 10mm, there is always the "why do you need to shoot full-power ammo all the time?" I don't NEED to justify why I want to shoot 10mm out of 10mm. And I want a firearm that will be durable shooting 10mm. I have 9's, 45s (acp and colt), 38s, and 32s (s&w long and acp) if I want to shoot ammo with less recoil. As for the 44 example, yes it's perfectly fine to shoot 44spl out of a 44mag. But I would be pissed if I bought a 44mag that crapped out after 2 or 3k of 44mag loading.
Again, my only point is to bring this up to the OP. If he plans on shooting mostly plinking ammo, then most any 10mm may suit him fine. If he wants it to shoot only full-house loads, but he doesn't plan on shooting more than a few hundred rounds a year, many 10mm pistols will be fine. If he wants to shoot a few hundred rounds a month of full-power 10mm, then he may want to consider platforms suited for that.
the duck of death
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To what purpose would I get a 10mm and shoot mostly watered-down ammo?
Kinda like having a Ferrari & never taking it out of 2nd gear.
To what purpose would I get a 10mm and shoot mostly watered-down ammo?
Kinda like having a Ferrari & never taking it out of 2nd gear.
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the duck of death
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I think NOT:
Have a G29SF(Storm Lake barrel) for 14 mos--4K thru it--no wear. On the 12th reloading of the brass--load 13.5 #9/180 cast, not a light load.
Have a G29SF(Storm Lake barrel) for 14 mos--4K thru it--no wear. On the 12th reloading of the brass--load 13.5 #9/180 cast, not a light load.
I need to get busy and order up a 220, just haven't gotten it done yet. I will use full power ammo for practice and hunting both. I hunt in a lot of really dense woods, and sometimes several fast shots are called for on a wounded one. I occasionally have to shoot some in a trap in the evenings too. I've shot them with all kinds of calibers, and with autos and revolvers. I like good revolvers, but they don't lend themselves to the type of usage I need...including fastening lights to the firearm. I've owned 220's before, just never one in 10mm. I even had a delta once in 10mm, but it was well used when I got it, and it just didn't anything for me.
In the end it looks like a 220 sig will be my best bet and I need to get busy and order one.
In the end it looks like a 220 sig will be my best bet and I need to get busy and order one.
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I've noticed this too.
I load 180 Gold Dot @ 1,150 fps (actual average 1,152 fps) and invariably somebody will reference Underwood (full power) versus my moderate load.
My moderate load is 150 - 175 fps faster than 40 S&W factory 180 Gold Dot from my Glock 35/22 with about 28% more KE
My moderate load generates as much (more) KE than 357 Sig from Glock 31 - nobody thinks 357 Sig is lacking power.
My moderate load produces the same subjective and calculated recoil as 230 Ranger T from my 1911 but with more KE and a extra round capacity.
Everything in the preceding paragraph is pretty much TL/DR for the "muh real 10mm" respondent.
I think they need to apply their love for nuclear loads to whatever caliber they carry, by God they need to carry Underwood in their pocket 9mm, 380, 45 ect...
if it aint nuclear it aint real "full power" whatever.
I just got an email from Springfield Armory, announcing their TRP Operator model is now available in 10mm.
The TRP has always been regarded as a production gun built to a very high standard.
It's available in both 5" and 6" versions, comes with adjustable sights and rail for lights or lasers.
The TRP has always been regarded as a production gun built to a very high standard.
It's available in both 5" and 6" versions, comes with adjustable sights and rail for lights or lasers.
Yes, received one of those emails too.
The 5" 10mm model comes with fixed tritium sights, the rear being a "Tac-Rack" sight for single-handed manipulation.
The 6" adjustable sight model appears more designed for hunting or "precision" shooting at targets on the range. Yes, both have rails. Both come with two 8-rd mags, and both look like solid, well-made pistols.
Looking at the OTD price, and assuming I was in the market for a 5" railed 10mm, I'd still likely choose the Sig over the TRP since Sig gives you four 8-rd mags in the box with the gun ...
... Not to mention, there's still that lingering political stench on any S.A. product due to Denny Reese's groveling cave-in to Illinois' alt-left gun-controllers.
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brian33x51
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The glock 40 certainly looks like a very good hunting/open carry pistol for 10mm. I would vote for it. If you want a little more safety you can stick on a gadget SCD which helps make holstering safer. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gadget-a-striker-control-device
Since I wasn't around back then to vote with my dollars or my feet, it's irrelevant. Get yourself focused chief, the politics of this ain't rocket science.
What Denny Reese does today matters because I can choose to spend my "10mm dollars" elsewhere, and it's not like there aren't a lot of 10mm 1911 choices on the current gun-market other than S.A.
FairWarning
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From a practical perspective, I don't think anyone has the Glock 40 beat for 10mm due to the advantages of a 6" barrel and 15+1 capacity and manageable recoil. For true function, this would have to be my choice.
For pure sex appeal, the stainless/rosewood Sig 220 is peerless, although it is limited to 8+1 and a 5" barrel.
I know that stout .45 ACP +P loads aren't much fun in a 1911 frame, so I have to assume full house 10mm wouldn't be much fun either. I have no doubt the offerings from Sig, Springfield, Ruger, and the Colt Delta Elite Gen 2 would get the job done, although you'll be taking more abuse. I'd like to see HK get into the 10mm game. My full size USP 45 is noticeably softer shooting than my 1911.
For pure sex appeal, the stainless/rosewood Sig 220 is peerless, although it is limited to 8+1 and a 5" barrel.
I know that stout .45 ACP +P loads aren't much fun in a 1911 frame, so I have to assume full house 10mm wouldn't be much fun either. I have no doubt the offerings from Sig, Springfield, Ruger, and the Colt Delta Elite Gen 2 would get the job done, although you'll be taking more abuse. I'd like to see HK get into the 10mm game. My full size USP 45 is noticeably softer shooting than my 1911.
I'll throw in my 2 cents. I've had 2 10mm's. First was a Kimber target II when they first came out. Big mistake never buy anything newly introduced. Major problem was their magazines which made the gun a total jammomatic. That's when I got an education on Kimbers truly crummy customer service ( sent it back 3 times). Own 2 Kimbers, will never own another. Solved all the problems with it by getting some Colt Delta magazines. Then it became a tack driver.
Second 10mm was a used Smith 1006. Great gun built like a tank but I could never get comfortable with the feel of it, just didn't fit my hand, in addition it was really hard on brass rendering them pretty much useless after one firing.
As a hand loader I've developed 2 loads 180gr. Extreme flat point on top of 6.0gr. of universal clays for 1050fps. Really nice target round.
For serious business I load 13.8gr. of AA#9 under a 180gr, XTP for 1250fps.
yields 1" groups at 25 yards bench rested if I'm up to doing my part, which seems to be less and less the older I get.
As a side note I prefer a .44mag or .45 Colt for walks in the woods where Blackies reside.
Second 10mm was a used Smith 1006. Great gun built like a tank but I could never get comfortable with the feel of it, just didn't fit my hand, in addition it was really hard on brass rendering them pretty much useless after one firing.
As a hand loader I've developed 2 loads 180gr. Extreme flat point on top of 6.0gr. of universal clays for 1050fps. Really nice target round.
For serious business I load 13.8gr. of AA#9 under a 180gr, XTP for 1250fps.
yields 1" groups at 25 yards bench rested if I'm up to doing my part, which seems to be less and less the older I get.
As a side note I prefer a .44mag or .45 Colt for walks in the woods where Blackies reside.
brian33x51
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Well, an hk usp40 or or usp45 *can* be converted to 10mm.
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/michael-...0mm-usp-barrels-please-reserve-your-slot.html
http://www.hkpro.com/forum/michael-...0mm-usp-barrels-please-reserve-your-slot.html