#1 Buck for HD

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I think Randy Wakeman makes a good argument for #1 and/or #0 Buck for HD...

http://www.chuckhawks.com/home_defense_shotgun_ammo.htm

12 or 16 projectiles penetrating 12" to 14"

The Firearms Tactical Institute reports:

"Number 1 buck is the smallest diameter shot that reliably and consistently penetrates more than 12 inches of standard ordnance gelatin when fired at typical shotgun engagement distances. A standard 2 ¾-inch 12 gauge shotshell contains 16 pellets of #1 buck. The total combined cross sectional area of the 16 pellets is 1.13 square inches. Compared to the total combined cross sectional area of the nine pellets in a standard #00 (double-aught) buck shotshell (0.77 square inches), the # 1 buck shotshell has the capacity to produce over 30 percent more potentially effective wound trauma. In all shotshell loads, number 1 buckshot produces more potentially effective wound trauma than either #00 or #000 buck. In addition, number 1 buck is less likely to over-penetrate and exit an attacker's body."
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In addition, number 1 buck is less likely to over-penetrate and exit an attacker's body."
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If he is bleeding out front and rear than he will bleed out twice as quick, thus depriving the brain of the required oxygen quicker thus leaving my family free from the threat all the quicker.

Brent
 
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=109958
In the above link you will find photos of pretty much all routine shotgun loads fired into bal. gel. blocks...

What I see is that any of the buck shot produce good entrance wounds.

But once the shot load separates into individual pellet patterns, I want the larger pellets each pellet is larger so chance of hitting debilitating vitals is increased. since each pellet has more mass, I expect deeper penetration in the target if the target has on cold weather attire.

And the hydraulic wound channel has to be better with a larger diameter than with a smaller diameter of equal round ball shape.

The above stated... I use #3 buck in my 20 gauge M-500 since that is the gun I currently own, I can't locate larger buck locally and don't seem to find a way to justify additional guns at this point in my life.

It will hunt any game animal I can encounter in my region and is adequate for my hd concerns.
Brent
 
I don't think you can go wrong with either 00, 0, 1 or 4 buck shot for HD. My patrol shotgun is loaded with Winchester Supreme 1 buck, because that was what issued by the department, however, it patterns very well from my shotgun. And that my friend is what you want.;)
 
Another point favoring number 1 buck is the total payload delivered on target. I can't remember at the top of my head the exact numbers, but IIRC a standard 2-3/4 12 gauge holds about 32% more grains of lead if filled with 1 Vs. 00 buckshot.
 
I don't know about self-defense, but No 1 buck is all I've ever used for deer hunting. Every deer I ever shot with Number 1 went down and stayed down. If they required a second shot it was a "kill shot" for an animal down, and breathing it's last.

My theory is exactly what's stated above. I'd rather have 21-24, .30 cal shot in the pattern than 12-15, .33 cal, 00's (2 3/4" to 3" Magnum). 000's numbers are even fewer. Dropping down to number 4, what you gain in numbers, you lose in mass.

I admit my "theory" isn't scientific. It's based on talking to the old timers I used to hunt with and on my own experiences. Number 1 buck is good stuff.

At self-defense ranges, I doubt it really matters.
 
1 buck seems to be where the lines cross on the graph for pellet size and quantity. I've yet to find a load,however, that patterns as tightly as my pet 00 rounds. If and when I find one, I may switch. Meanwhile, I'll continue with "Old" Estate 00 R/R.....
 
#0 Buck is #1

#0 Buckshot for me. 12 pellets of .32 caliber ensuring high/multiple hit probability, devastating wound channels, control (with slightly less weight of payload than 00 and #1 Buckshot) and effectiveness at all the ranges within the standard working distance of a shotgun and regular chokes plus a little less overpenetration than 00. #1 is next in the hit parade... Overall.

IMO

Gehr
 
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I use #1 for everything, hunting & SD. It is the perfect comprimise of shot size and number of pellets. 0 is my second favorite.
 
Just got done with a shotgun course with Tom Givens. Writing it up for Dave here but just a preview.

Tom says forget the lesser balls - go with 00 at a minimum.
 
Cajun;
Most organized studies I've read also conclude recommending #1 Buckshot or 0 Buckshot.

And remember, defense doesn't necessarily mean just IN the "home" defense, but could be in or also around, out, and about. You'll have to be the judge...

Instead of up to 15 yards with #2 SwanShot in your connected Town House apartment could one need to defend oneself elsewhere, at twice that distance and, if so, would I prefer #1 Buckshot? Darn right. Could it be at 45 meters and would I want 0 Buckshot? Affirmative!

As I've seen demonstrated, beyond 0 Buckshot just means less hit/multiple-hit probability and overpenetration/less wound track. So, I concur such would not be as effective overall. 0 Buckshot isn't so available. #1 is a little more so.

Gehr
 
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I believe a lot of people feel #1 is about the optimum size for SD. The problem is that a lot of those same people really like Fereral's plated buckshot with Flight Control wads for exceptionally tight patterns, and Federal doesn't make #1 plated buckshot with Flight Control Wads. There's a lot of guys on the shotgunworld tactical forum who'll pee their pants the day those shells come out.
 
I'm buying a box of diapers for when they make those in 0 Buck AND Ruger comes out with a 6-Shot .327 Federal Magnum LCR.
Gehr
 
I don't think I'd want Flight Control wads for HD.

I would like to cover a 3" to 4" area. I guess you only make one hole in someone with a Flight Control wad - but it's one devastating hole, but why send all the projectiles down the same wound channel?
 
Peter Hathaway Capstick was writing about this back in the 70's for Guns & Ammo. I believe his book, Last Horizons is the one with great info regarding buckshot. #1 buck is the way to go.
 
I don't think I'd want Flight Control wads for HD.

I would like to cover a 3" to 4" area. I guess you only make one hole in someone with a Flight Control wad - but it's one devastating hole, but why send all the projectiles down the same wound channel?
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My 590A1 patterns Federal 00 buck load with FliteControl wads at 1" - 1 1/2" at 10 yards. That load will end the disturbance immediately PLUS, and most important to me, is I want as much absolute predictability in the pattern as possible in my home with kids. I DO NOT want stray pellets flying around the house.

To each his own but these loads will always come through my SG for HD. #1 buck is a good load but 00 buck is the premier SD load.
 
At the median distance I would be engaging an intruder, even the cheapest of promo load 7 1/2 out of my cylinder bore 18 inch barreled 500 is still a single entrance hole. No noticeable pattern developing. So I wouldn't tell the difference in the flite control or any other buck shot round at that range... The bonus I see to F/C type rounds, is that in my situation, I am 1,000 X more likely (proven by me never having to defend the dwelling in my 25 years as a head of household) to be sneaky snakin' out to the trash cage by the street to pop a 'yote or 3. And range is an issue as they tend to bust me before I bust them so a predictable pattern would be nice for the "Texas Heart Shot" they tend to present as they run away.

Brent
 
Many years ago when I lived in an apartment, it was #3 shot. Now, living in the country with nobody in the house but wife and I, it's 00.
 
"Just got done with a shotgun course with Tom Givens. Writing it up for Dave here but just a preview.

Tom says forget the lesser balls - go with 00 at a minimum. "

Does Tom say why?

Massad Ayoob says #1 buck

I wonder what E.F. Hutton Says?
 
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