Your thoughts on Firearm Registration

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BreacherUp!

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Since I didn't want to take over the seat belt mania happening on another thread, I've started this one. My question was" What is wrong with firearms registration?"
Aside from the usual emotional outbursts and fear of JBTs coming and taking our weapons (notice my collective use of "our"), I was wondering what everyone's thoughts were on the subject. (Oh, and please don't send me to the Search feature, I was asked to start this thread).
 
Correction. You weren't "asked" to start this thread. You were encouraged not to sidetrack the other thread with it.
Decision to use or avoid the Search feature is up to you.
Rich
 
Nothing at all....except that it proves our point about the end game of the Nanny Statists. If you wish to latch onto this as more than a quick side issue for illustrative purposes, kindly start a new thread.
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Rich, not being an a*s, but isn't this what you asked of me?
Anyway, back to the original question.
 
Breacher:

It serves no useful purpose to register firearms.

Beyond that, registration could be used against firearms owners.

Beyond that, it is an invasion of privacy, to which I have a right.

How's that? :)
 
Okay, lets see:

New York, registration of all firearms, confiscation of many firearms.

California, registration of "assault weapons", grand fathered, minds changed, and confiscation of said firearms.

Need I go on?

Wayne
 
Here's a question. Your firearm is stolen. It's found 1/2 way across the US during an unrelated search warrant. How do the police trace it back to you?
Also, the culprit claims the gun is his. No registration, no way to notify you.
 
When it is stolen you file a report with the guns serial number. That serial number should go into a national data base and if it is recovered it is cross checked. Then when the gun is returned to you, that number is deleted from the stolen gun data base and you are once again an unregistered owner.

One thing to consider is that every FFL has to keep records of his sales. So if you purchased from an FFL, you are in effect registered with him.
 
One of the problems I see is that registration (i., the record of a certain individual purchasing a certain item) of everything seems to be going on, from toasters to computers to whatever. And the registration is often not an option...it's something that could happen automatically during the purchase process. We are such an information-compiling society that I don't know how much longer we can fool ourselves into thinking that the goverment won't be able to derive from its varous information sources a pretty good inventory of all we own. It makes it its business to gather information.

Yeah, I've heard of cash, but all it takes is one swipe with the Visa or one record of you driver's license number during the purchase. Big Brother is a reality and I'm all for not volunteering any more information than I have to, but it's scary to consider how much information there already exists on you the individual.

Don't roll over on gun registration. I think what I'm trying to say is that information=power and if we give up that information we likely weaken ourselves and this right.
 
Right Butch, but how does a cop in NC know to look up the FFL in CA regarding this weapon. Roger NCIC will list it as a stolen weapon. Additionally, ATF will be able to run the ser# to the RO (if by chance, the ser# is not in NCIC, which we've all seen happen). "Hey this 1911 does not belong to BG. It Belongs to so and so in CA. Why do you have it?"
As for the argument that if I register it, someone will come and take it. Never bought it. Why? If your weapon is for some typical CA reason deemed illegal, and is not grandfathered in, it is then illegal to possess. Now, considering that most of the people here are law abiding, you would have to turn it in. I'm certainly not saying I like this or agree with it, but there it is. So that argument only lends itself to "hiding" from the law.
 
I just dont think the feds should know if and what guns I own. Because I am a law abiding citizen and if there was ever some misunderstanding I wouldnt want a SWAT team busting into my home when they read on a computer about my "arsenal" or "weapons cache" with "dozens of cop killing bullets" or some shizzat like that.

And anyways it is my buisness what I purchase and I dont think I would like the feds recording any of my purchases, no matter what it be. From toothbrushes to "cop killing expanding bullets."
 
Here's a question. Your firearm is stolen. It's found 1/2 way across the US during an unrelated search warrant. How do the police trace it back to you?
Also, the culprit claims the gun is his. No registration, no way to notify you.
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One word, Excel. Use the program to list all your weapons, serials, descriptions, etc...

Make three copies. One is kept at home, one is kept in the locker that you are renting in a huge safe, the other is kept with someone you trust (in my case, at my mom's apartment).

If any guns are stolen. Call local LEO's, give them information. Call ATFE since you have a FFL03, give them information.

Wait for the gun to be found and then the state as well as the feds know that it's yours, you have reported it stolen, you get gun back (hopefully), BG goes to jail.

Wayne
 
Breacher up dont you see?? Registration is one step towards dissarming the populice, and that is the bottom line. Something which our founding fathers and everyone here at TFL feels is the first step to an oppressive government. You are simply stating the obvious in saying that we would want to keep our guns if it suddenly became illegal to own them. That is the entire reason it was deemed necessary to have an armed citizenry in the first place, to protect ourselves from tyrannical rule. Once our guns are taken away, what could we possibly do after that?? Sure any tyrannical government will collapse eventually, as we have seen throughout history. But I doubt it would happen in the lifetimes of ourselves or anybody we care about.

It is not the idea of registration per se that licks everbody here in the wrong way. It is just a step in a direction that we dont want to go. A step that only spells bad for the American people. A destruction of what this country was founded on. And then lets say Kalifornication takes over and all guns are gone, whats to stop the other ammendments in the Bill of Rights from being violated?? Once the single major weapon that the common man has to protect himself from what is trying to rule him, what is to stop those in charge from succumbing to the temptations of power?

Registration leads to confiscation leads to a slew of things I dont even want to think of. If it comes to that second step, you can bet your ass there will be some flack from me, and hopefully many others who grace this board.

What other reason could the Feds have for registration, pray tell??? And dont say to prevent crime, that is a bunch of baloney and anyone knows it. No criminal would be stupid enough to use a gun he himself bought in a world that has gun registrations. It serves only to punish and infringe on the law abiding. And is a step to what leads to much worse.

I hope you can understand this.
 
"...you register your car, do you not?"

No one wants to confiscate my car. Remember this?:

"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them, Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in, I would have done it."

Tim
 
Courts have held that felons cannot be required to register their guns, since that would violate their right to self-incrimination. Given that, I do not see what useful purpose registration serves. What USP45usp recommends will serve just as well for trying to get stolen weapons back. Otherwise, it is no one else's business, including the government's, what I own.
 
My firearms are all registered with my insurance company. That is all the registration I need and it is all that I want. If they get stolen, I'm sure the insurance company would rather take some simple steps to recover them (like reporting the serial numbers to the police) then pay out on my whole policy (which is going to get even larger when WildAlaska sends me my new toy, heehee). My brother's guns were stolen. He reported the SNs to the police. One of the two was recovered. The other has not turned up, but it will not be found unless it is a. shown to a dealer with intent to sell, b. found at the scene of a crime, in which case registration didn't do any good, or c. we become a police state and some JBT searches houses on a hunch that illegal weapons are inside. The last option doesn't sit too well with me, because I can see the thought processes now:

"Hmm, he's got a lot of guns, I bet there is at least one unregistered one lying around his house that would give us an excuse to confiscate the whole collection."

Registration does nothing to prevent crime, it rarely helps solve crimes. The money used to maintain a registration database could better be used on crime prevention programs, not crime-solving ones.
 
What is wrong with firearms registration?"
Aside from the usual emotional outbursts and fear of JBTs coming and taking our weapons (notice my collective use of "our"), I was wondering what everyone's thoughts were on the subject.
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What do you mean, "aside from ..." blah blah?

You ask a question, and then seek to rule out what can be VERY legitimate reasons for objecting to gun registration? That's not valid. It's like asking, "Aside from emotional outbursts and fear of tiny children falling into pools and drowning, what are your reasons for supporting safety gates and fences around swimming pools?" I mean, you are seeking to frame the discussion with the exclusion of one of the most germane points that can be made. A truly objective discussion would countenance ANY reasons we might offer and then deal with them appropriately.

WE ARE WARY OF JBTs COMING TO GET THE GUNS THAT REGISTRATION WOULD TELL THEM WE HAVE. PERIOD. IT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED, IN OUR COUNTRY AND IN OTHERS. PERIOD.

And absent ANY other cogent, compelling reasons why registration would be a crime-fighting benefit (it wouldn't), the onus is on supporters of registration to defend why it would be beneficial, not on opponents to show why it would be harmful.

-blackmind
 
I have pretty much worked out what is and isn't legal in CA. But explain this to me please.....were weapons actually confiscated???? And no one did anything? I will hold my tounge until answered.

Shawn
 
I have pretty much worked out what is and isn't legal in CA. But explain this to me please.....were weapons actually confiscated???? And no one did anything? I will hold my tounge until answered.

Shawn
 
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