your choices of self defense firearms?

Gunz487

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Just wondering what other Survivalists choose as there self defense firearms both pistols and shoulder weapons. Mine is as follows

Home defense

Glock 17
Glock 26
Mossburg 590

Car defense
Glock 17
Glock 26
Mini 14 in trunk

Always on person
Glock 17
Glock 26
Spyderco endura
and a will to survive



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"A concealed handgun is socially acceptable because it is invisible. It gives you an element of surprise and the option of being able to fight back if attacked."
 
For "survival" reasons, you should consider having a revolver for the simple reason that you need two hands to rack the slide and load a pistol. If you have a broken hand / wrist / arm, you will be at a serious disadvantage with a pistol. With a revolver, on the other hand (no pun intended), you'll be able to get by loading it with one hand.
Share what you know, learn what you don't -- FUD
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Yes and no... With practice you can achieve reasonable reloads and clearances one handed. The optimal words are "with practice," of course. I had a pistol instructor who placed his arm in a sling, and achieved rather satisfactory results. He even beat several students who utilized both hands.
 
Sorry FUD, but I have to disagree. With practice, many of my pistols can be loaded, racked, and reloaded with one hand. It's not easy, but it can be done. That said, my personal home defense choice is:

Ruger P-97 .45 ACP
Walther P-99 .40
Beretta Cougar .40
Mossberg 500 "Pursuader" w/8 shot tube
Norinco MAK-90
Marlin Camp Carbine 9mm

Why so many guns? Ideally, home defense should be a "team" effort.
 
Okay Gusgus, enlighten me ... as I own far more pistols than revolvers, I'm really interested in this. I'm sitting here with my Kahr MK9 and my Para-Ordnance P14-45 with two dummy rounds ( those springs loaded things that makes it easier on the firing pin when dry firing) in both magazines and nothing in the chambers. Using only one hand, how do I chamber a round?
 
Hey Fud,
I can think of a few ways to rack the slide. Obviously you can't do with just the one hand. But, on the Kahr, you could grasp the grip, and manage the slide back by pressing the front or rear site up against the edge of a table. Sure its prolly not very good for the site, but better a bunged up site then an empty pistol.

But, i have to ask, aside for jams, why even worry about it? The slide normally stays back on an empty magazine and provided the pistol is reliable, would be easier and faster to reload then a revolver (provided the mags are already preloaded). If I am one handed and I don't have preloaded mags, I am running.

Sprig
 
How about clearing jams with only one hand?

I think life would be simplier & easier with a revolver. I'm not talking about every day life as we know it (when I wore a uniform for a living, I carried a pistol, my current CCW is a pistol and my home defense firearm is also a pistol) but if the worst Y2K nightmares came through, I would rather have a revolver than a pistol for the LONG haul.
 
Hey Fud,

You wrote, " How about clearing jams with only one hand? "

I have a question... whats a jammed Kahr???

Sprig
 
FUD,
First thing, we're talking life and death situation here, so we're breaking all the rules. Place gun between your knees with grip facing up, and slam home the mag. Now place the grip facing down between your knees. On most double/single actions with exposed hammers, you will have to manually cock the hammer, than pull the slide back with your hand. Of course you now have a loaded and cocked gun between your legs, but hopefully facing away from your body. As I said, - for life and death situations only. I don't have any D/A only pistols, but I assume that they would be a lot harder, if not impossible. Reloading is relatively easy, on a D/A S/A, since the slide should lock back. On a D/A only, you should reload before firing the last round.

I haven't done this in a while, so I just tried it on my P-97 (exposed hammer D/A), my Walther P-99 (striker fired D/A), my Makorov (exposed hammer D/A), and my Sig Pro (exposed hammer D/A) The Walther was the easiest, and the Makorov was the hardest, even though it has soft Pierce grips. The recoil spring for the .357 Sig, Sig Pro was just too strong, and I was not able to one hand cock this gun.

I know there are other methods, such as holding the grip, and pressing the top of the slide against a table, or door jamb. But again, we are talking about a "I do this or die" situation.
 
What a great argument for a new revolver! I agree on lots of these points. I was left handed for 3 wks until today. I am NOT left handed normally. My right hand was broken and in a cast. Although I was not as gimped up as I could have been, I was glad to have a light slide spring gun like my
P-32. I changed the springs on my P-11 and they are stiff.


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[This message has been edited by tatters (edited June 05, 2000).]
 
Hmmm. How to describe?

There are several ways to reload or clear a jam with only one hand:

To simply chamber round catch the rear sight on your belt. Or any other relatively firm object, such as the table already mentioned.

To reload you can drop the spent magazine, place the pistol into its holster, then replace the full magazine into the pistol. Rack the slide in the fashion previously outlined.

You can also rack the slide by dropping into a kneeling position. On the way down, catch the grip behind your dominant leg. The slide will remain exposed to manipulate. This demands a shift in the grip that must be practiced, but it comes relatively easily. You can also clear and reload all from kneeling, but I'd practice a lot before attempting it in all but an emergency with live rounds.

There are others. I hope I did not botch my descriptions too badly. :)
 
I've taken two classes that had a bunch of injured and one handed semiauto and revolver drills.

Then I did break my wrist and was glad I had the classes until I healed up.
 
Now that we got that all cleared up, anyone willing to share their personal preferences of defense firearms?

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"A concealed handgun is socially acceptable because it is invisible. It gives you an element of surprise and the option of being able to fight back if attacked."
 
In no particular order...

HKUSP9C - Federal Hydrashocks
Mossberg 590 w/ Speedfeed IV pistol gripped stock - 3" OO buck Magnum loads
Bushmaster AR15 V-Match Carbine w/ Reflex II - 55gn FMJ
Benchmade Mini AFCK w/ combo edge
Masters of Defense Massad Ayoob Razorback w/ combo edge

The HK is always at the ready and travels with me when I visit my parents. The AR15 also comes with me in case the SHTF.

Unfortunately there is no CCW in Illinois, so I can only carry the Mini AFCK and the Razorback.
 
Home Defense-
Pit Bull
Remington 870
Wilson CQB
H&K Tactical

Car-
Wilson Sentinel

Personal-
Wilson CQB or Kahr MK9 or Kimber Ultra Elite

If the SHTF, I can always pull out my class III's (MP5 and Uzi) or my assortment of ARs.

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1911 Addiction
TFL End of Summer Meet
August 12th & 13th, 2000
 
On person or within easy reach at all times; Smith model 29, 6", my own custom built Smith model 29, 1.625" (bobbed hammer rounded butt, etc.) and American Derringer also chambered in .44 mag.. Bed side also includes 8 shot Mossberg 500.

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TFL End of Summer Meet, August 12th & 13th, 2000
 
Hey Fud,

Hook the sight on your belt, and push quickly.

Hook the sight on the sole of your shoe and push quickly.

That's two ways that I've practiced in the past.

Doesn't work too well though if you have Novak sights on the gun. :)



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Beware the man with the S&W .357 Mag.
Chances are he knows how to use it.
 
I just checked and one-handed works for me.

Sitting down, I hold my gov't model normally, turn it upside down and snag the slide where my leg meets my body.

Barrel's pointed away from me, toward the floor. Trigger finger's on the idiot button (the end of the slide stop).

I racked ten rounds through it this way. It works for me. Might not for you. Best check.

Thanks for worrying me enough that I tried (and confirmed) what I've done in the past.
 
I always carry my SIG P228 whereever I go, it fits my hand like a glove and I am the most accurate w/ it. As a backup I also have a Colt Detective's Spl that fits in my jeans pocket. Right now I don't have a scattergun, but coming soon is a Moss 500 or 590 for home defense.

I wish I had more firepower, but $ is tight. :(

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"At last we shall reveal ourselves to the Gun-Grabbers, at last we shall have revenge at The TFL End of Summer Meet on August 12 & 13, 2000..."
 
My survival battery includes: Glock 20 loaded with 175 grain Win Silvertips, Beretta Border Marshal .40 (for duty), Winchester 20gauge pumpgun for the wife, HK91 for me. For concealed carry, right now it's a Taurus PT111, but am changing that out soon to (I hope) to a Beretta 9000s.

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"Vote with a Bullet."
 
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