Your choice for best all around 45....single or double.......

I've owned a Glock and an HK USP...dumped the Glock, and kept the HK. Bought the HK over the Kimber because they Kimber was a tighter gun (and, hence, more accurate), and the HK was more of a workhorse combat gun, that I could get muddy and wet without it crapping out. The Glock was not a .45, but it was junk. Jammed constantly.

If you don't need your gun to work in extreme conditions, and want superior accuracy for competition, you probably want the Kimber.
 
You also might go over to the 1911 gunsmithing forum and talk with Dane Burns who's specialty is Kimbers. You might find he has something that will be very much to your liking if you're looking for a target pistol. And these guns will be smoothed out to the max for a custom gun that will do everything you want it to. You could also talk with Brian Bilby or Steve Clark. (Clarks speciality is defensive weapons.) Because by the time you buy a stock gun and then decide to have some work done to it, you might just be better off getting something already set up by a good gunsmith to start with. Just something to think about. Good luck with what ever you decide on.

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Again, try them all out.


BUT, my Glock 21 has never had a malfunction after the 200 round break in period-- and its accuracy is awesome. Don't discount this model based on a few negative replies. Having shot many Glock 21s over the years, I have not yet found one that is troublesome once "BROKEN-IN" with 200-250 rounds. I am sure their are occasional lemons, but most are excellent pistols IMO.
 
I have to agree with several of the other people here, and go with the Glock 21. It's my number one right now, and I can prit near knock a flea off of a dog's butt with it at 25 feet.
I've tried the Glock 30, and while it is a nice handgun, the smaller frame makes it slighty harder to control than the 21, in my opinion. My cold shot on the 30 slightly hurt my wrist (call me a wimp if you like). :cool:
I do like the Kimbers too, however. Nice guns.


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[This message has been edited by JDG21 (edited September 24, 2000).]
 
For a carry gun that I trust my life to, I go with my Glock every time.

But, the Springfield Loaded has been tested rigorously (and I have also heard personal reviews that say that) it is EXTREMELY accurate. The FBI demanded that their gun was reliable, and got 1.5 inch, 10 shot groups at 25 yards with Golden Sabres (a notoriously innaccurate round) and the Springfield passed these tests with flying colors. With a more accurate round, I would expect even better groupings from that gun. You should get one inch groups with it at 25 yards with good ammo if you do your part (few people can, so I don't say that lightly) or Ransom rest it. The Glock 21 can be just as accurate (yes, they have been tested at sub-one-inch groups at 25 yards out of the box), but only a serious Glock shooter can make it sing. The 1911 is a better target gun for most people, IMO, and the Springfield Loaded is an outstanding gun.

I don't see that you would be sorry with the Kimber either, but after reading the FBI tests and hearing personal accounts, the edge goes to the Springfield.


I still shoot my Glock more accuratly than my custom 1911's, but I am not most people. I have really mastered the Glock trigger, and that takes practice. Most people will enjoy the 1911 more if you are talking about punching paper at the range, and gawking at it's beauty and getting warm fuzzies from it.





[This message has been edited by Red Bull (edited September 23, 2000).]
 
Sorry guys, I love Glocks, got several and a 21 is my main defensive pistol, but it ain't a target pistol. Its a military service pistol. It's not as accurate as my Gold Cup (and yes I have mastered the Glock trigger), it doesn't have an adjustable single action trigger, and it doesn't have good adjustable sights, which I veiw as manadatory for a target pistol.
 
For a .45 target pistol I too would vote for the Kimber Target. You probably can't beat it without spending nearly twice the money.
 
>>We'll have to disagree. My 70 Series Gold Cup is a much higher quality pistol then my friends Kimber, and his Kimber has needed to go to the factory once already. We'll see which is worth more in 10 years.<<

Ah, I thought you were referring to current-make Gold Cups. Series 70 guns were very nice, but do you know how much they cost? And how difficult it is to find one?
 
Bought mine from an ad on Gunsamerica 3 weeks ago for $750, LNIB. Several others on there right now in the 800-900 range.

Right now theres a NIB series 80 high-polish stainless Gold Cup at my dealers shop, it's a consignment peice for $1200. It's REALLY nice! I wouldn't shoot it though, since its NIB. Probably just put it in the safe for my grandkids college tution :D


[This message has been edited by BB (edited September 23, 2000).]
 
I wouldn't shoot it either after my experience with Series 80 Gold Cups. Yecchh.
You're lucky to find the Series 70s so cheap though, around here they bring over $900.
 
I have owned the following .45's Kimber Classic Custom, Colt 1911, Springfield Compact, Norinco, HK USP, Sig 220, and I am issued a GLock 21. The sig 220, HK usp and GLock 21 are all very accurate and its preaty much a toss up. The kimber would be a good choice for target work because you can get a nice target gun trigger pull on it.
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Kimber Target, It's made for target shooting and is more accurate than the others you listed. If you ever think you might want to carry later on the others would be fine (I prefer the Springfield loaded), but for pure target shooting, a 1911 tuned for this purpose such as the Kimber Target is hard to beat.




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[This message has been edited by Bandit (edited September 23, 2000).]
 
Give the Glock 36 a try you may like it. I sure do like mine.

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O.k. guys reread the question. This gun is strictly target. While I love Glocks and carry a G30 daily, I would never call them a target gun. They are damn accurate for a combat handgun but you don't buy a Glock to shoot at a piece of paper 25yds away. IDPA would be the exeption.
The Ruger P97 is also in the same category as the Glock.

One of the better made 1911 models will do the trick. Because of their popularity upgrades and parts are easy to get.

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Vyper if you look at anyone who competes in IDPA or IPSC at the national level, they all have 1911 style pistols. It depends how you are going to use this pistol. If you are going to compete with it then I would get something custom in the 1911 style which are Caspian frames, Colts, Kimber, or Springfield. You will spend more money but you will be pleased that it is custom to YOUR liking and comfort. I personally have a Colt 1911 series 80, which I took and got custom work on it which included grips, checkering front and back straps, Wolff spring, new extractor, polished ramp, Novak sights, memory grip beavertail, combat hammer, and 3.5# trigger job). Needless to say I spent more on it then you would a Glock but I would put it up against any pistol. Check out Les Bauer or Terry Tussey (tusseycustom.com) for gunsmithing. Nothing beats a 1911!!
 
Regarding the Gold Cup: I can't say I am impressed with the Gold Cups out of box accuracy OR RELIABILITY. I have shot 2 after hearing "their all that" from many people. Neither was particularly accurate OR RELIABLE. Neither put the bullets to the point of aim either. Seems they need gunsmithing to get them to shoot right (reliability and accuracy were subpar in the samples I shot).

If you want a 1911, get something that shoots right stock. In my experience, the Kimber custom will generally shoot right without gunsmithing work, as will many Springfield models. All 1911's are a pain in the butt to disasemble until you get the hang of it though...
 
They have a used Colt Gold cup "80 series" at my local gunshop for $699.95.....I really dont like buying used guns because you never know what your gonna get....This Colt has a different rear sight....a shock buffer installed and could possibly have some other unidentified parts as well....Thats the only thing with 1911's,everybody changes them around......I'm going to the range on Sunday so I guess I'll rent a few different guns.....I'll keep you guys posted....
 
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