Young new beginner trying to start out but seems impossible

You don't even have to move that far, man. Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia and Ohio all have much better gun laws.
 
MTAR said:
I can't move it just yet because... can't really afford it at the moment and I'm going to have to find a way to get a job there etc. It doesn't seem simple lol.
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FWIW, folks that actually do something, find a way to do it - others only keep finding excuses why they can't.

Drive or take a bus, whatever, to the nearest border state (PA, VT, or CT - forget NJ), however many times it takes and find a job first, then move.


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While your pondering your guns and moving etc., do yourself a favor and check out the Ruger SP101 in .357 Mag. with a 4" barrel. That is one sweet little shootin iron.
 
Stop whining kid! I'm a NYer too. You make it sound like you're settling for a revolver. A 357mag is the King Manstopper! If I could only keep one gun, it would be my Python, or SW 27. As for Python prices, Zack's in Ballston Spa had two 4" Pythons for $1200 each. These foolish laws will be repealed eventually, they're unconstitutional. In the meantime get your permit and save your money. You're gonna' need cash for revolvers, one won't be enough!
 
Holy Sheepschitz! I would hate to have to go through that crap in order to buy a gun. That being said, I don't know why you are against Rugers, they built like tanks so they will probably outlast you even at your young age.
I also wouldn't worry about locks and stuff, I have a Smith and Wesson 686+ with a 4" barrel and I love it. I don't even think about the lock. There are Ruger Guys and Smith and Wesson guys, I happen to own both.
 
Another thing to consider if/when you move, if it is to pursue your hobbies, is the availability of public land. At a young age most people can't buy private land to build a personal gun range. I am here in Texas thanks to Uncle Sam, and there is very little public land to go shoot. For that reason I have to drive 30 minutes every weekend and pay the range to punch paper.

That said, if you do shoot on public land, PLEASE do it SAFELY and pick up your mess.
 
>>That being said, I don't know why you are against Rugers, they built like tanks<<

Well, years ago I felt the same way, mainly due to ignorance. Once I discovered just how nice they were they soon became my revolver of choice. ;)
 
MTAR,

Go take NRA Basic Pistol before you buy anything. The trainers will have a variety of guns available for you to try.

If you have to, go to Pennsylvania to do it.
 
How can I find out about that pistol training? I remember hearing that you need to go out side of N.Y.to take it....Lol
 
Getting back to revolvers, if I could only own one it would either be a 686 plus, 7 shot or a Model 627 8 shot Performance Center. I'd pick the one that had the appropriate trigger reach for my hands.

I wouldn't worry about the lock. If it bothers you, then you could remove it. (check out youtube for the video) I think I've also seen some people on selling plugs to cover the hole, but don't quote me.

Either way, new Rugers have a built in trigger lock, too. You just can't see it, because it's hidden by the grips. The owner is suppose to drill into the grip to expose the lock.
 
To the OP . . . the best of luck to you.

My wife and I lived in New York State for six months back in the early 70's while she did an internship to finish up her Masters. I can safely say, that for myself at least, I was never happier than the day we moved out of the state and back to the midwest.

I've been shooting for 50 + years and I am a firm believer in getting as much training as a person can - nobody is too old t learn something. As responsible gun owners/shooters, we all feel the hurt when violence occurs in our schools and public places . . . but taking away a law abiding citizen's rights and trampling on the Constitution is not the way to solve those things. Criminals and those with mental issues will always find a way if they mean to do harm to another. We all need to make our voices heard and put a stop to all of the nonsense that occurs in Washington with those who have an "agenda" . . . because it will not end with what their current proposals are. Somewhere, we have lost the "family unit", morals, the difference between right and wrong and people taking responsibility for their own actions . . . and if you are looking for what I'm talking about . . . look at our politicians.
 
Where are you in NY? I know things vary a great deal from county to county, but it really sounds like you are overstating the expense. Who did you speak to? There is no state law that requires a course, again, that is a county requirement. (in Monroe Cty, I didn't need one) Three references are pretty standard. A background check by the local police force, and 3 sets of fingerprints. I think the total fees I paid about 10 years ago was about $100, the biggest chunk of that the fingerprint fees.
If you want a revolver, fine.
Someone mentioned an 8 shot revolver, there has not been a clear answer given on the legality of actually putting 8 rounds in one. I have emails into both my state assemblyman and senator, both cannot answer and are actively looking for answers for me. No one has one.
There are some pretty nice semiautos with 7 round capacity. Kahr, Beretta Nano, S&W Shield. That part of the law does pretty much, uh, well you get the idea, but the choices aren't completely gone.
I haven't found any part of the new law that limits possession of magazines to two. Where are you getting that from?
I think the restrictions are a joke, but I also think you are convincing yourself the situation is worse than it really is.
 
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I Love New York

I've lived in NY my entire life. Recently if you haven't heard our governor decided he could make us safer by tweaking our 2nd amendment rights! Thanks but no thanks Governor I was fine with the way things were long before you showed up! My advice to you young man get that pistol permit no matter how tough it seems exercise your right to bear arms!! FYI if they ever give the United States an emema they'll insert the nozzle in Albany New York!!!!!
 
I lived in upstate NY most of my life. Got my pistol permit when I was nineteen. That was in Rensselaer county, which is still one of the easier counties to get approved in I think. I've heard horror stories about Albany and Saratoga Counties. My original permit was marked " hunting and target only". After a couple years I applied for and received an "unrestricted" permit. I remember one of the ridiculous laws from that time was that I couldn't buy a handgun from an FFL dealer because I wasn't 21, but it was perfectly legal for me to buy from a private citizen. Doesn't get much more senseless than that. Anyway, I wish you the best of luck! As for myself, we moved to sunny Florida and never looked back.
 
FYI

I remember one of the ridiculous laws from that time was that I couldn't buy a handgun from an FFL dealer because I wasn't 21, but it was perfectly legal for me to buy from a private citizen.
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The age requirement (21) comes from Federal Law. IT applies only to FFL dealers, and became the law in 1968.

Being able to buy (at any age) from a private individual is a matter of individual state law. In general, NY laws are as strict, or stricter than Federal law.
 
testuser;

The Ruger lock that you are speaking of is only on their single action revolvers and on their LCR revolvers-but, their double action GP100 and SP101 revolvers do not have the lock!:)
 
My family was in upstate NY back in the 17 and early 1800s. They had lots of guns. They moved out West, just NW of Chicago. Later great granddad brought the family to Oregon. It's pretty nice out here. Mandatory issue of concealed carry permits, nice gun clubs, a bit of open ground with critters.

If I were going to get a first revolver I'd get a nice used model 15, 4" .38 Special with adjustable sights.

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15-2 I bought from NC on Gun Broker

This has the magnas

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15-3 from GB as well


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I like the Ahrends retro combat grips for range work.
 
Someone mentioned an 8 shot revolver, there has not been a clear answer given on the legality of actually putting 8 rounds in one
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The law applies to semi-automatic pistols. It does not apply to revolvers unless a rotating, manually driven action that rotates a cylinder has been classified as "semi-automatic" by the New York legislature.

Regarding training:

Start here: http://www.nrainstructors.org/searchcourse.aspx

Go with NRA Basic Pistol because it's mostly a safety class with some shooting. Talk to the instructors about other NRA courses and non-NRA defensive handgun courses.
 
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