you just cant make this stuff up...

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(stocking up on massive quantities of plain old FMJ ball, cause it's cheaper and kills just as effectively) ;)

And Mike Irwin; not kidding; any excuse to spend that budgeted money and keep the sheeple scared works.
 
http://www.defensenews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2012309170011

They are coming for you, Stainless. Be very afraid.

As far as civil unrest, remember that during the financial crisis - New York Wall Street types were applying for pistol permits to fight off the hordes of what we now call the 47%. They feared the guillotine and weird old women knitting over their severed heads.

Hey, that's a business opportunity for the entrepreneur. Next to the zombie ammo, sell 47% ammo. Pardon, the diversion to off the serious issue of people buying into zombie ammo.
 
I bought a couple of boxes of Zombie Max (380 & 9mm) because I was told they were the same as Critical Defense, but they were $3 cheaper each. They work fine in my guns. Also the novelty is sort of amusing. The store owner sounds kind of despicable, but it was in Philly wasn't it? Different attitudes up there maybe. I have met a few newbies that might fall for something like that, but I think it was kind of low to take advantage of the kid's stupidity. Integrity just ain't what it used to be.

I saw on the news this morning that there is a zombie emergency scenario being played out for police, fire, and EMS personnel. I don't know where it was to happen. It seemed a little absurd to me. Seems like they should use a more real-life type scenario, but I don't make those calls.
 
I'm with Brian. I also think it's a funny story but don't approve of taking the idiot's money.
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Sums it up beautifully.

Shop owner could have had his fun, gotten some laughs, and then let the kids off the hook. But the moment he leveraged their confusion/stupidity into a sale? He's scum. Pure and simple.
 
and who is to say that the ammo in question will not dispatch a zombie? as far as the mfr and shop keeper know, it works great.
 
There's a price to pay for stupidity, and a price to pay for education.

There is more than one lesson to be learned from this exchange, and the total cost was the price of a few boxes of ammunition.

There might be something to be learned from this even if one was not present. So the lessons keep coming, paid for by a box of ammunition, and the time and attention of those reading all this.

Ultimately, the two main parties in the exchange were pleased by the transaction. No one forced anything on an unwilling participant. Outside judgements cannot stand absent information held only by the participants.
 
It is real ammo that was designed (or just marketed) for zombies. It will function in his firearm whether or not the dead rise from their graves. Seems like a fair sale to me.
 
On the one hand, there is a price to be paid for stupidity.

On the other hand, who gets to exact that price?

And on the gripping hand, integrity has to do with one's own actions, not with the stupidity or impropriety of others. The customer wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed, but the store owner's integrity was his own to preserve or to trash.

He chose to trash it.
 
Another point: The kid's parents should have had the "zombie talk" with him a long time ago. I don't think that responsibility should fall on the shop owner's shoulders.
 
MLeake, I tend to agree w/you but it is possible(though he didn't correct the folly before customer walked away he might've been stunned & wished he had after-the-fact) he was being sarcastic.

Also, the kids were kids, and they might've just been joking around...as in they don't have a lot of experience buying ammo and were sortof just awestruck or enjoying the experience. I don't know about anybody else here, but it is near Halloween + I tend to also believe these kids don't truly believe in zombies. They were probably laughing about this guy as they left.
 
We sure have a lot of ways to justify lying to people and taking their money on false pretenses. No wonder this country is in so much trouble. Not only do we condone immoral behavior, we no longer even recognize it.

Having a good laugh after you lead them on for awhile would be funny. Swindling them out of their money by intentionally taking advantage of their ignorance is completely immoral. I'm saddened that anyone would condone such a thing. It gives us all a bad name. It should be completely unacceptable.

I doubt anyone would be real happy if a car dealer sold their wives an "Anti-Solar-Flare Static Discharge System" for their car. I suppose you'd have a good laugh at your wife's ignorance when you went back in to talk to the dealer. After all, she should know better.

Or maybe the Nigerian Prince scam? That one's been around so long it's cliche. Still, people fall for it. Ah well. Nothing immoral, right? It's their own stupidity. There's a price to be paid for ignorance.

It disgusts me that anyone can condone this behavior.
 
How old is the 'kid'? Don't you have to over 21 to buy handgun ammo?

Hmm - what's up - Stainless?

If you are over 21 and believe in Zombies, we should have a discussion of what round for unicorns?
 
also kid is relative(mid-20s are kids)but even my wife hates the word:a kid is a goat

I don't condone it. I can't speak for anyone else, but I do believe in 'gray' areas and that not everything is black and white(especially since we have a second hand account typed on a computer).

this guy at the store might be a really nice good samaritan. I can't be too quick to judge.
 
I doubt anyone would be real happy if a car dealer sold their wives an "Anti-Solar-Flare Static Discharge System" for their car. I suppose you'd have a good laugh at your wife's ignorance when you went back in to talk to the dealer. After all, she should know better.
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He sold him real ammo at the price it was marked, he didnt swindle anyone.

I think its sad that a moderator is beating this drum so hard. If it were just members arguing like this it would have already been locked.
 
Not sure Glenn but my educated guess would be early 20's....which I still consider a kid...and although I'm 30 myself I feel that mentally there is a massive leap from 21 to 30.

@ Bryan, I get it. I just think you are reeeeeally stretching it here to prove some point beyond the obvious. It wasnt the nicest thing to do. However, some of us with tougher skin learned MUCH harder lessons than that growing up. I sure did. He got off easy in my opinion after displaying such sheer stupidity....and he still got some ammo which is not a crime.

As I said before, who the hell knows if he was dead serious, semi-serious, or just playing along with an old shop owner to start a funny convo. He was acting genuinely interested in the owner's responses....yet he wasnt sold 100% as I noted in the beginning and even smirked a couple times. Am I a psychologist? No. Was it a hilarious encounter all things considered. YES!

And on that note now that mny home is well prepared for hurricane Sandy to approach tomorrow.....I shall pour a glass or two of some fine Yuengling lager and prepare for my favorite Sunday night series, The Walking Dead :)

(the difference is, I enjoy a good tv series about survivalism and know that zombies are not real....plus the main character carries a colt python which is awesome)
 
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ljnowell, he sold him eight boxes, according to the OP, on the premise that the stuff could handle zombie threats and that it was becoming scarce, so the buyer should grab it while he still could.

Now, for me to buy eight boxes of ammo sounds like not much more than a typical day at the LGS range. (I usually buy five boxes, if I don't bring my own.)

For an early 20's guy, who seems not that familiar with guns, one or two boxes would probably be a more normal purchase.

IMO, the joke became un-funny when the store owner used it for a profit.

And if the buyer was really that gullible, somebody should have educated, not belittled him.

It really is just that simple.
 
I'm going to side with the folks that say it was funny up to a point. When the shop salesman sold the ammo letting the young man believe it was real and not the marketing hype it is was well beyond that point.

In my mind this is the kind of shop folks will learn to avoid. The salesman should have at some time prior to the sale explained that the ammo was so labeled as a marketing or sales gimmick only. To have sold the ammo without that caveat in my mind is not a good business practice.

That shop took advantage of someone not knowledgeable and very naive, to me that is a reprehensible sales tactic.

I suspect that someone will explain to the young man he had been had. And I would not be surprised if that individual does not go back there and tells all his friends to stay away as well.
 
happy halloween 31oct2012//full moon 29oct2012

mleake those might have been his last boxes like the owner said. period. he also answered honestly when he said 'absolutely' to the cust when inquired if it was a good idea to be prepared.

three kids shooting can go thru that pretty quick. at any rate he prob wanted some leftovers.

It isn't that simple. sorry. are you saying you feel this "kid" felt zombies were a serious threat? more likely he felt that was sortof 'cool' or unheard of to see references to zombies on a box of ammo(or maybe he realized this guy is sellin so I midas well buy every last bit I can.....all speculation but no different than yours or other posts). please let me know if you feel this individual believes zombies exist and this is the ammo to dispatch them. Oh yeah I forgot, just like some fastguns in the old west you don't like to go toe to toe when its time to meet in the street.....no need to respond
 
ps- just messin(joshin), i just don't feel it was that serious and don't mind stating it. obviously some believe this was a true injustice and everyone has a right to differing opinions
 
younggunz4life, I wasn't quite sure where you were going with post #58, but I guess you were mostly joking.

But as far as the going toe to toe thing... I don't mean this as a duel challenge or anything, but I've actually met quite a few TFL members in real life, either to attend a class, or to just go shoot someplace. Sometimes, even, to put theories to a test. (Again, this is done in a friendly manner.)

Generally, I won't travel to do that. But, if somebody is in my neck of the woods, or if work or other travel takes me to theirs, then why not?

Over the past few years, for example, I've had the opportunity to hang out with (and do business with) Tom Servo and HunterCustoms; have dinner and go to the range with orionengnr; train with Pax, Mas, and Marty Hayes; have a coffee with Shane Tuttle. I was going to go to a combo shooting day and BBQ with Uncle Buck, but that fell through.

In other words, I don't hide behind a screen name. (Screen name is my name, anyway, M Leake.)

I don't make arguments online that I'd be embarrassed to make in person.

As far as how serious (or not) the incident under discussion is, my opinion is based on the assumption that the tone of the OP's first post accurately reflected what went on. Of course, that assumption could be false, but it's his thread so...
 
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