Police turn in S&W mod 65. String holster for IWB carry and a cleaning kit made out of a nail to weigh down a string tied to a rag patch to pull through the bore and cylinder. You only need to by the brush. You probably already have some 3in1 Oil at home and kerosene can be used as a solvent.
You Have $200 For a PD Pistol AND Ammo, read on....
- Thread starter Mike H
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I read this thread last night, thought about all the wonderful things said about the Makarov and stopped by my favorite gun shop to see if they had one. I found they did have one in the showcase and asked to take a closer look at it. The price tag was marked 159$ w/2 mags. I removed the magazine, retracted the slide to check the chamber, replaced the slide into battery and attempted to move the safety lever to the safe position. I attempted to move the lever in both directions (down first, then up), but was met with extreme resistance. I finally succeeded in moving the lever in an upward direction only to have the lever come completely out of the slide! I then locked the slide to the rear, and with a fair amount of force, replaced the lever in the slide (only managing to get the lever back into the exact same position it was in when I started this exercize in futility), handed the POS back to Pete and bought some 9mm and .45acp ammo for my 400$ Glock and 600$ SIGs. After this event I won't allow a Makarov into my house until it is shown to meet my strict criteria for firearm purchases: No firearm shall be allowed in my home that falls apart upon inspection in a gun store!
If I need a gun that bad, then I need to find a way to come up with another 200$ at the very least. How much is your life worth?
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If I need a gun that bad, then I need to find a way to come up with another 200$ at the very least. How much is your life worth?
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Just because you're unfamiliar with the Makarov and its manual of arms does not
give you the right to call it a POS.
The safety lever on the Makarov works exact opposite of the Walther PPK.
UP = safe (slide locked in forward position)
DOWN = fire
The pistol was probably completely field stripped (includes removal of the safety
lever) by someone who did not know what they were doing. The gun was obviously not reassembled correctly. Blame "Pete".
The problem you encounted is easily fixed in under 5 minutes and is definately not cause to call the gun a POS.
Consider that your precious Glocks are made of polymer and have unsupported chambers which makes them prone to ruptures at the case mouth which result in *KABOOM*'s.
I bet you feel good knowing that you payed $400 for a plastic pistol that costs less than $250 to produce, and is prone to blowing up spontaneously in the shooters face.
What is YOUR life REALLY worth?
[This message has been edited by dvc (edited April 25, 2000).]
give you the right to call it a POS.
The safety lever on the Makarov works exact opposite of the Walther PPK.
UP = safe (slide locked in forward position)
DOWN = fire
The pistol was probably completely field stripped (includes removal of the safety
lever) by someone who did not know what they were doing. The gun was obviously not reassembled correctly. Blame "Pete".
The problem you encounted is easily fixed in under 5 minutes and is definately not cause to call the gun a POS.
Consider that your precious Glocks are made of polymer and have unsupported chambers which makes them prone to ruptures at the case mouth which result in *KABOOM*'s.
I bet you feel good knowing that you payed $400 for a plastic pistol that costs less than $250 to produce, and is prone to blowing up spontaneously in the shooters face.
What is YOUR life REALLY worth?
[This message has been edited by dvc (edited April 25, 2000).]
Blades - there is a rule in my house too..you need to be knowledgable in the operation of a handgun before you can handle it, or not too proud to ask a question on its designed operation.
Why would you mess with a pistol you know nothing about?
No matter - just 1 more Makarov for someone who understands the operation.
(For what it is worth, the safety is removed by moving the lever "up" into the vertical position and pulling it out of the slide. This will also allow the firing pin to be removed. The safety operates by moving the lever from the horizontal or 9:00 "safe" position into the 7:00 or "fire" position).
But still - you should ask if you are unfamiliar.
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Why would you mess with a pistol you know nothing about?
No matter - just 1 more Makarov for someone who understands the operation.
(For what it is worth, the safety is removed by moving the lever "up" into the vertical position and pulling it out of the slide. This will also allow the firing pin to be removed. The safety operates by moving the lever from the horizontal or 9:00 "safe" position into the 7:00 or "fire" position).
But still - you should ask if you are unfamiliar.
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"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work"
Thomas Alva Edison
blades,
You did good to leave the Makarov for someone else who will appreciate it. I for one have never had any trouble with a Mak. They chow down cheap ammo (5.20/50 delivered), are very accurate (I love shaming guys with $500 guns with the little Maks. They're as accurate as any pistol costing twice or three times as much.), they're slim, are easy to fully disassemble, parts are irt cheap, and are so stout they'll last a life time. What you did to the poor little Mak in the store is the equivalent of a person removing the backstop plate from a Glock slide and then saying that Glocks are poorly made.
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So many pistols, so little money.
You did good to leave the Makarov for someone else who will appreciate it. I for one have never had any trouble with a Mak. They chow down cheap ammo (5.20/50 delivered), are very accurate (I love shaming guys with $500 guns with the little Maks. They're as accurate as any pistol costing twice or three times as much.), they're slim, are easy to fully disassemble, parts are irt cheap, and are so stout they'll last a life time. What you did to the poor little Mak in the store is the equivalent of a person removing the backstop plate from a Glock slide and then saying that Glocks are poorly made.
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So many pistols, so little money.
Does anyone know if the mil surplus Mak's would be allowed here in Massachusetts? I imagine they were manufactured before 1998 (the cutoff, at least I think 
). I wouldn't mind one of these little guys, especially after all of the raves about them.
I'd be afraid of getting one that didn't meet all of the consumer protection regs though, I wouldn't want to hurt myself with it, and the AG says I would...
). I wouldn't mind one of these little guys, especially after all of the raves about them. I'd be afraid of getting one that didn't meet all of the consumer protection regs though, I wouldn't want to hurt myself with it, and the AG says I would...
Alex Johnson
New member
Our local gun dealer has a well worn S&W model 10 with a four inch barrel for $160. This was probably a police pistol as the wear is mostly from holstering. The cylinder is tight and the barrel is excellent. It has a set of rubber grips on it. I consider this to be a first class revolver (pre-sellout). Their are lots of these old model 10's and 19's floating around the used gun market. I bought a model 19 a couple years ago for $150. Anyway you should be able to find one in the $150 range and than you can buy yourself a box of 158 grain LHP +P's (I believe they used to be called the FBI load). This should set you back about $12-$15 for a box of 50. With that you can start looking around on EBAY for a used holster for your chosen model and you should be right around the $200 price range. Many of the people on this site will knock the 38 special, but I wouldn't consider yourself to badly armed with a good model 10 and the above loads. Remember the key is to practice and be able to hit what you shoot at. Oh, as far as cleaning goes a bottle of hoppes some WD40 and a toothbrush; as while as an inexpensive cleaning rod and attachements are all you need. Old cotton underwear or shirts make excellent cleaning patches.
I owned a Russian mak a few years ago, and thought it to be a poorly made pistol. I traded up to a Beretta 96, and love it. When I saw the Bulgarian Maks in Shotgun news, I ran to the Gunsmith and ordered one. I got it last week and there isn't any comparison. The Bulgarians are much better made. I'm sure they all function the same, but I like a firearm to look nice too. The Bulgarian is a wonderfully made, good looking gun that is ultra reliable. I now carry the Mak, and have retired the Beretta to the bedside (it wasn't all that practical to carry anyway). My gunsmith advised me against the mak, and he was obviously prejudiced against it, but when it came in, he fell in love too. Now I'm purchasing 2 more and he's buying himself one. Awesome little gun. More powerful than a .380, and more accurate IMO. We put a hundred rounds through it and it was easy to shoot, and all the bullets were within a 3" group (it does start to hurt after 50 rounds if you keep the factory grips, so get pearce).
If you want my opinion though, the Russian was blued, and so are many of the E.German guns. Arsenal of Bulgaria makes blued and Parkerized, and I suggest the parkerized. They look 100% better. I bought mine from SOG. It took about 4 days turn around. I say get a Mak!
If you want my opinion though, the Russian was blued, and so are many of the E.German guns. Arsenal of Bulgaria makes blued and Parkerized, and I suggest the parkerized. They look 100% better. I bought mine from SOG. It took about 4 days turn around. I say get a Mak!
For the record I do understand the makarov manual of arms. I further understood that the safety lever is designed to be removed when moved into the vertical position. That particular makarov is an unmitigated POS! The safety lever would not go into the "fire" detent. It would bind about 1/8 inch before, which is the reason I first tried to move the lever down and then up. Further more, the safety lever would not stop at the "safe" detent, but rather would continue on to the vertical position and come out of the slide. I did not continue to evaluate that POS because of the safety lever. If there had been a second makarov, I would have examined it.
dvc- The guns are not field stripped and reassembled before sale at this shop. When the guns arrive from the distributor, they are removed from the shipping container (which is then set aside until the gun is sold, at which time it is given to the buyer), the excess shipping oil is wiped from the exterior of the gun, it is logged, tagged and put into the showcase. (If you believe that you could resolve the problem in five minutes, more power to you. I haven't had to fix anything on my Glock or SIGs, and I wouldn't have bought them if I would have had to.)
"Pete" had nothing to do with the manufacturing defect. He deserves no "blame".
My Glock isn't fed lead reloads and it isn't a .40Snivel&Whine. It poses no more risk of a "kaBoom" than any other 9mm on the market.
MakAttack- If I had not been familiar with the makarov, I would have asked. You know nothing of my background, so do not assume to tell me what I do not know or may be to "proud" to ask.
Tecolote- If I picked up a Glock and the back plate fell off when I drew the slide to the rear, I would say that was a poorly made Glock. I would then evaluate another Glock to establish if this was a problem that all Glocks share or if it was just that gun. As there were no other makarovs for me to examine I have nothing else to compare it to, other than an East German makarov I handled, but did not shoot, in 1986. I will examine other makarovs when I have an opportunity, but I'm not going to get my shorts in bunch looking for one.
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Guns cause crime like spoons cause Rosie O'Donnell to be fat!
I hunt, therefore I am.
dvc- The guns are not field stripped and reassembled before sale at this shop. When the guns arrive from the distributor, they are removed from the shipping container (which is then set aside until the gun is sold, at which time it is given to the buyer), the excess shipping oil is wiped from the exterior of the gun, it is logged, tagged and put into the showcase. (If you believe that you could resolve the problem in five minutes, more power to you. I haven't had to fix anything on my Glock or SIGs, and I wouldn't have bought them if I would have had to.)
"Pete" had nothing to do with the manufacturing defect. He deserves no "blame".
My Glock isn't fed lead reloads and it isn't a .40Snivel&Whine. It poses no more risk of a "kaBoom" than any other 9mm on the market.
MakAttack- If I had not been familiar with the makarov, I would have asked. You know nothing of my background, so do not assume to tell me what I do not know or may be to "proud" to ask.
Tecolote- If I picked up a Glock and the back plate fell off when I drew the slide to the rear, I would say that was a poorly made Glock. I would then evaluate another Glock to establish if this was a problem that all Glocks share or if it was just that gun. As there were no other makarovs for me to examine I have nothing else to compare it to, other than an East German makarov I handled, but did not shoot, in 1986. I will examine other makarovs when I have an opportunity, but I'm not going to get my shorts in bunch looking for one.
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Guns cause crime like spoons cause Rosie O'Donnell to be fat!
I hunt, therefore I am.
Don't want to start a flame here Blades, but that is difficult for me to believe. If you indeed understood the operation of a Makarov, and you say this in you 2nd post:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>That particular makarov is an unmitigated POS![/quote] (Indicating that it was a localized incident), then why would you say this in your original post: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>If I need a gun that bad, then I need to find a way to come up with another 200$ at the very least. How much is your life worth?[/quote] Indicating that you don't believe any Makarov is suitable in a self defense role, based on your examination of that particular example? I may have assumed you had limited experience & I am sorry, but based on this statement in your original post: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I read this thread last night, thought about all the wonderful things said about the Makarov and stopped by my favorite gun shop to see if they had one. I found they did have one in the showcase and asked to take a closer look at it.[/quote] and this one in your 2nd post: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>If there had been a second makarov, I would have examined it.[/quote] it seemed that you were looking at these pistols because of the opinions stated on the board. (I reasoned that if you were familiar with them, you wouldn't have found it necessary to run to the local gun shop to see what all the chatter was about).
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>That particular makarov is an unmitigated POS![/quote] (Indicating that it was a localized incident), then why would you say this in your original post: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>If I need a gun that bad, then I need to find a way to come up with another 200$ at the very least. How much is your life worth?[/quote] Indicating that you don't believe any Makarov is suitable in a self defense role, based on your examination of that particular example? I may have assumed you had limited experience & I am sorry, but based on this statement in your original post: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I read this thread last night, thought about all the wonderful things said about the Makarov and stopped by my favorite gun shop to see if they had one. I found they did have one in the showcase and asked to take a closer look at it.[/quote] and this one in your 2nd post: <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>If there had been a second makarov, I would have examined it.[/quote] it seemed that you were looking at these pistols because of the opinions stated on the board. (I reasoned that if you were familiar with them, you wouldn't have found it necessary to run to the local gun shop to see what all the chatter was about).
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"Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work"
Thomas Alva Edison
Southern Ohio Guns has Hungarian knock offs of the Browning Hi Power for $189. I have not shot them myself, but an acquaitance who has a number of Browning Hi Powers vouches for the knock offs. At $189 that's a pretty attractive alternative. Includes a 13 round mag and there are lots of those on the market. And 9mm is pretty darn common.
MakAttack - I am not thin skinned and believe we can agree to disagree.
I am familiar with the operation of the makarov because of U.S. military weapons familiarization training. Being made aware of many firearms, some I was able to use and others I was only able to handle for a short period of time (a matter of about 15 minutes in the case of the East German makarov and almost a dozen others) without benefit of live fire because of time constraints. I encountered a single makarov in 1986, before they were popular in the U.S., with a safety that appeared to function normally. The next makarov I encountered, in 2000, fails my inspection in very short order, leaving me with much doubt as to the quality of these guns. When I come across another makarov I will evaluate it on its own merits. If it passes inspection, and I feel the need for a 150$ gun in my safe, I would probably buy it. If the next makarov I encounter has a similar problem, I would not find the makarov in my collection. If I determined that it was a problem with only one manufacturer, then I would not consider any product from that manufacturer, but would still consider makarovs from others. As it stands, my experiences have not shown the makarov to be impressive.
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Guns cause crime like spoons cause Rosie O'Donnell to be fat!
I hunt, therefore I am.
I am familiar with the operation of the makarov because of U.S. military weapons familiarization training. Being made aware of many firearms, some I was able to use and others I was only able to handle for a short period of time (a matter of about 15 minutes in the case of the East German makarov and almost a dozen others) without benefit of live fire because of time constraints. I encountered a single makarov in 1986, before they were popular in the U.S., with a safety that appeared to function normally. The next makarov I encountered, in 2000, fails my inspection in very short order, leaving me with much doubt as to the quality of these guns. When I come across another makarov I will evaluate it on its own merits. If it passes inspection, and I feel the need for a 150$ gun in my safe, I would probably buy it. If the next makarov I encounter has a similar problem, I would not find the makarov in my collection. If I determined that it was a problem with only one manufacturer, then I would not consider any product from that manufacturer, but would still consider makarovs from others. As it stands, my experiences have not shown the makarov to be impressive.
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Guns cause crime like spoons cause Rosie O'Donnell to be fat!
I hunt, therefore I am.
Here you go! Just received this in E-box...
Cole Distributing Inc. - http://www.cole-distributing.com/
M-59 Police Makarov Pistols
-these just arrived and there is a limited supply available.
-these pistols require an FFL for purchase.
-As new Condition but may have some handling bruises.
-these have Chrome-Lined Barrels.
-The ammo they shoot is 9x18 Makarov Ammo. We have it for $84.95/800 rnds
delivered or $319.95/3200 rnds.
-German Pistols are $139.95 + s/h.
-Bulgarian Pistols are $124.95 or 3 for $369.95 + s/h.
-Extra Magazines are $3.95 each 0r 10 for $35.00 +s/h.
-We have a limited amount of these Pistols and they will move fast.
-I can e-mail pictures on request since they are not at our site yet!
-Contact Gary Cole @ gcole02@nctc.com -Call toll free at 888-264-9625.
-The pistol requires an FFL Licensed holder.
Thank you,
Bob Lippman-Cole Distributing
E-Fax 815-377-3182
Home Ph-518-678-3519 http://www.cole-distributing.com
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Cole Distributing Inc. - http://www.cole-distributing.com/
M-59 Police Makarov Pistols
-these just arrived and there is a limited supply available.
-these pistols require an FFL for purchase.
-As new Condition but may have some handling bruises.
-these have Chrome-Lined Barrels.
-The ammo they shoot is 9x18 Makarov Ammo. We have it for $84.95/800 rnds
delivered or $319.95/3200 rnds.
-German Pistols are $139.95 + s/h.
-Bulgarian Pistols are $124.95 or 3 for $369.95 + s/h.
-Extra Magazines are $3.95 each 0r 10 for $35.00 +s/h.
-We have a limited amount of these Pistols and they will move fast.
-I can e-mail pictures on request since they are not at our site yet!
-Contact Gary Cole @ gcole02@nctc.com -Call toll free at 888-264-9625.
-The pistol requires an FFL Licensed holder.
Thank you,
Bob Lippman-Cole Distributing
E-Fax 815-377-3182
Home Ph-518-678-3519 http://www.cole-distributing.com
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Alex Johnson
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One thing should be remembered. If their isn't a whole lot of money to spend buying enough ammo to test the pistol could get expensive. Auto pistols, especially ones that are coming from unknown backgrounds, should be shot a lot with a chosen defensive ammunition before they should be considered reliable. If you plan on shooting Hydra-Shoks it could get damn expensive to buy 4-5 boxes, to cycle through your gun to test it's function. With a revolver you could get buy shooting one box and than doing your practicing with cheaper ammo (though you might want to make sure that it has similar recoil to the defense stuff). It's just a thought and premium defense rounds are expensive.