Frank Haertlein
Moderator
Jones;
You hit upon a key element in our race for president when you said
"and if Pat is allowed to debate, I think that you will see a significant swing in the polls towards him and his ideals."
The key here is IF HE IS ALLOWED TO DEBATE! The media gives voice to the candidates or it can deny that voice or it can demonize you by calling you a natzi. Either way your chances for becoming a viable candidate are doomed. Just like Pat Bucannon's chances are doomed because everyone in the media is calling him a natzi (and he sure as HELL ain't no natzi!). Right now he is getting just enough press coverage to make the American people despise him.
BigG;
You are right when you say that a third party vote gives the reigns of power to the liberals. Yet I, personally, want that to happen. It may be cutting off my nose to spite my face but living in California I have lost almost all of my gun rights. I can't even buy a glock pistol anymore because it is classified as a "saturday night special" by our liberal governor because it does not have a conventional safety. Couple this with the loss of my other gun rights and, you see, I have little left to loose anymore so I don't give a rats behind about the republicans who in partnership with their democratic breatheren here in California enacted these unconstitutional laws. I think we need to loose all our gun rights to wake up the American people. I want more loss of freedoms, I want the dems in power because I know they will accellerate their agenda and ban guns, increase taxes, put homosexuals openly into the military, close more open lands to human access and in short severly restrict a lot of the freedoms you and I take for granted right now. Maybe then we will have a repeat of 1994. All we have now are a bunch of politicians who will do almost anything to make the media happy so they won't report bad on them and therefore potentially ruin their re-election chances. That's why you got a bunch of republicans takeing a "moderate" stand on gun control. As Dennis said, they are still taking your gun rights although possibly a little more slowly.
What needs to happen is a giant shakeup in the American political system. If gun owners could get past their fears and vote "en mass" for a third party it would send shock waves through our system. Until that happens I promise you that little will change no matter which party is in power.
Someone said something like "you ever seen the republicans repeal a gun control law"? The answer is NO and the reason why is because if they did it the media would rip them a new one. They would possibly loose during the next elections as a result. Even though republicans understand that it was disgruntled gun owners that gave them congress in 1994, they still choose to ignore us all the while knowing we have no place else to go and vote.
You see, I want the liberals to win because it will accellerate our loss of rights and quickly bring to a head the gun rights issue. I'm tired of contributing all kinds of money to the republicans, the NRA, GOA and all the other pro gun groups and still suffering masive losses of my gun rights. We lost our battle here in California and I promise you will loose yours too. The media wants it that way. No politician is strong enought to fight against the media so they cater to it for the most part. As I see it, our only chance is a major shake up of the system and that won't happen until gun owners loose almost all their rights, get mad as a result and then finally get over their fear of going third party. Just like what has happened to me.
You hit upon a key element in our race for president when you said
"and if Pat is allowed to debate, I think that you will see a significant swing in the polls towards him and his ideals."
The key here is IF HE IS ALLOWED TO DEBATE! The media gives voice to the candidates or it can deny that voice or it can demonize you by calling you a natzi. Either way your chances for becoming a viable candidate are doomed. Just like Pat Bucannon's chances are doomed because everyone in the media is calling him a natzi (and he sure as HELL ain't no natzi!). Right now he is getting just enough press coverage to make the American people despise him.
BigG;
You are right when you say that a third party vote gives the reigns of power to the liberals. Yet I, personally, want that to happen. It may be cutting off my nose to spite my face but living in California I have lost almost all of my gun rights. I can't even buy a glock pistol anymore because it is classified as a "saturday night special" by our liberal governor because it does not have a conventional safety. Couple this with the loss of my other gun rights and, you see, I have little left to loose anymore so I don't give a rats behind about the republicans who in partnership with their democratic breatheren here in California enacted these unconstitutional laws. I think we need to loose all our gun rights to wake up the American people. I want more loss of freedoms, I want the dems in power because I know they will accellerate their agenda and ban guns, increase taxes, put homosexuals openly into the military, close more open lands to human access and in short severly restrict a lot of the freedoms you and I take for granted right now. Maybe then we will have a repeat of 1994. All we have now are a bunch of politicians who will do almost anything to make the media happy so they won't report bad on them and therefore potentially ruin their re-election chances. That's why you got a bunch of republicans takeing a "moderate" stand on gun control. As Dennis said, they are still taking your gun rights although possibly a little more slowly.
What needs to happen is a giant shakeup in the American political system. If gun owners could get past their fears and vote "en mass" for a third party it would send shock waves through our system. Until that happens I promise you that little will change no matter which party is in power.
Someone said something like "you ever seen the republicans repeal a gun control law"? The answer is NO and the reason why is because if they did it the media would rip them a new one. They would possibly loose during the next elections as a result. Even though republicans understand that it was disgruntled gun owners that gave them congress in 1994, they still choose to ignore us all the while knowing we have no place else to go and vote.
You see, I want the liberals to win because it will accellerate our loss of rights and quickly bring to a head the gun rights issue. I'm tired of contributing all kinds of money to the republicans, the NRA, GOA and all the other pro gun groups and still suffering masive losses of my gun rights. We lost our battle here in California and I promise you will loose yours too. The media wants it that way. No politician is strong enought to fight against the media so they cater to it for the most part. As I see it, our only chance is a major shake up of the system and that won't happen until gun owners loose almost all their rights, get mad as a result and then finally get over their fear of going third party. Just like what has happened to me.