Yet another reason from the TSA not to fly

I fly only a few times a year. I have not experienced anything that I objected to. I realize that safety is going to cause some degree of inconvenience, and am willing to suffer it for safety.
No, they are not anywhere near perfect, but folks, with 9/11 things are not the same and will not ever be the same as before.
If you find the procedures too objectionable, then don't fly.

I almost seems that many do not want to suffer any inconvenience at all. That is not going to be the case.
It is true that some places and some airlines make things unnecessarily difficult, as in LA and Southwest, but other than there I think things work about as well as anyone else could do under the circumstances.
Jerry
 
Hijackings weren't a problem before 9/11.
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Really? Ya mean there were NO hijackings before 911?

Further, don't you think TSA would be crowing about how many hijackings they've prevented, if they actually had prevented any?
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No...not necesarily

WildalmostlikegunsusedinselfdefenseAZlaska
 
my take on it is this: if you're going to treat me like a potential criminal, treat everyone else the same way. go ahead, be suspicious. but also be suspicious of every single person, dont allow pukes at the ACLU to dictate that you can't suspect persons of certain ethnic origins for fear of 'offending' them.
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Very well said indeed. Do whatever you want, just do it to everyone.

I don't much mind this. I'd rather answer a few simple questions than have my baggage ruffled through like I did a few years ago when traveling through Europe... in front of other passengers. And those guys confiscated coffee and cigarettes that I guarantee went home with them to be sold at premium prices.
 
Really? Ya mean there were NO hijackings before 911?
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WA, now you're just being an arse. You know bloody well that there have been a VERY few hijackings. Compared to the number of flights and passenger-miles, they don't even cause a blip in the stats. A trend indicates a problem. A few isolated incidents don't.

No...not necesarily
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There's a huge difference between "mom kills rapist" and "OMGWTFTERRISTBBQ!"
.gov must justify its budget in order to request increases for the following year, and what better way to guarantee future funding than by loudly proclaiming one's accomplishments?
 
So because its from another country we should not use a winning system that is not intrusive. Only those with BDS could use this for logic. This is another attempt to bash anyone that is not one of "them". Nothing to do with guns, close it.
 
Hate to tell those of you with BDS this but this type of "search" has been used by Israeli security for over ten years and has all but kept them (of all peoples) airlines clean of incidents. The course under discussion is taken directly from the Israeli system.
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My understanding ( as always I could be wrong ) is that the system El Al uses can take 1-2 hours per passenger to clear ( from a friend that went through it ) Is this information correct ?

NukemJim
 
No, NukemJim, El Al doesn't question every passenger for 1-2 hours.

Per this USAToday article from 9/13/2001:
All passengers undergo some form of questioning during check-in. Most are questioned briefly and continue.
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Gleser said profiling was necessary, because if all the hundreds of passengers boarding an airliner were questioned in depth, that plane would never get off the ground.
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Of course, if your answers or actions make them nervous, you get to chat longer.
 
by Coinneach:
Incidents in commercial air travel in the US are statistically nonexistent
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So how many replays of the number of deaths on 9/11 are needed before they become statistically significant?
 
I agree with Ken on this one

About time

They reviewed films of the 9/11 hijackers and saw them not making eye contact, heads down...obviously of middle eastern descent

Would have been nice if someone had noticed them...applied some additional scrutiny

Probably would have gone no farther than that....can't have us profiling

Better to scrutinize little old ladies and kids
 
Nukem - I haven't flown El Al since the summer of 1972, but back then we were individually searched behind a curtained area, everything in our bags examined (they took my SLR camera into a darkroom to open and examine since it had film in it) and questioned. And I was just a pudgy 15 year old WASP travelling with my family through Europe.

I don't even remember which airport we were at since we went through so many. I do remember that Air France was our primary carrier through Europe, but not sure how El Al figured into it.

But I do still remember how thorough the El Al people were. And I doubt they've loosened up much over the years.
 
I believe that there are a number of physical manifestations of fear and stress and deception. We think those are clearly linked to criminal activity and terrorism," TSA Federal Security Director George Naccara said.
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Well George, I hope you're ready for the backlash when your agents start picking out:

People traveling to funerals,
people traveling to see sick relatives who hope there won't be a funeral,
people who have just lost big at Vegas,
those who won at Vegas,
cancer patients,
hunters who are hoping their rifles don't get 'lost' in checked baggage,
recent divorcees,
newlyweds,
new parents,
people with fear of flying,
people not ususaly afraid of flying but whose last flight skirted a thunderstorm,
salesmen who just lost a big sale,
or those who just closed a big sale,
people with nervous and mental conditions,
and fifty million other good citizens who don't really want to fly but have to for some reason.

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Pardon my cynicism Mr. Director but you need to start looking somewhere in the direction of that group of guys who look and act like, well, er, um...duh...like maybe they might be Islamic Fundamentalists with dynamite strapped to their bellies?
 
Pardon my cynicism Mr. Director but you need to start looking somewhere in the direction of that group of guys who look and act like, well, er, um...duh...like maybe they might be Islamic Fundamentalists with dynamite strapped to their bellies?
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Kinda like that? But hey, if we're going to allow the police to racially profile Carlos and Tyrone then we might as well allow the TSA to profile Achmed and Apu.


Right?
 
OK, redworm if it makes you feel better he can strip search a few random pregnant teenagers and new moms.

Screeners who can't tell the difference between a Pakistani software engineer with fear of flying and a guy who hasn't bathed in two weeks and carries dynamite strapped to his belly would enjoy that.
 
Oh yeah, that would certainly make me feel better.

So stopping every guy that looks middle eastern is the solution? Why do you think the hijackers shaved and didn't wear turbans? Because they know that Americans racially profile.
 
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So except for being against ANYTHING that anyone wants to do Redworm please list what You plan to do to solve this problem with no attendant problems or complaints from anyone??:confused:
 
I didn't say I was necessarily against any security procedures, just that these won't work. On the spot psych profiles? Please. The mere publication of this article negates any positive effects; y'all don't think people who plan on hijacking planes make sure to know what kind of security procedures the TSA has going on?

"Ok Achmed, make sure you look the infidel in the eye and act like you're going to a family reuinion."

Pulling to the side every middle easterner is going to help? I guess TSA employees will have to be trained in spotting the very subtle facial and skin tone differences between Iraqis, Italians, Indians, Greeks, Ethiopians, Egyptians, Kuwaitis, Israelis....or are they just supposed to pull out any one with more melanin than they have?

I'm not expecting them to please everyone but at least use methods that are useful. Not allowing me to bring a screwdriver on the plane? Glad they realized the idiocy behind that one. Most air freight is loaded on without being thoroughly checked so I guess only passenger airlines can be considered threats? I don't have any answers to solve the problem but that doesn't mean I can't criticize the useless methods currently in use.

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So let me see, they work for many other countries and have for over 20 years, they may not work for ALL incidents but for general screening it is very effective....But YOU KNOW it will not work so we can't even try it?
Typical:eek:

And once again I am STILL waiting for the Redworm solution to world problems....still? still? Yep nothing yet.
 
Source?

So I guess you see nothing wrong with a TSA employee being allowed to restrict you from flying because you're heading to a funeral and you happen to look distraught?

Just because I can't build an airplane doesn't mean I can't comment on the fact that it's missing an engine.
 
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