Yet another reason from the TSA not to fly

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TSA Agents Trained To Monitor Passenger's Behavior
Program Rolled Out At Logan International Airport

POSTED: 6:15 pm EST December 28, 2005
UPDATED: 6:31 pm EST December 28, 2005
BOSTON -- Transportation Security Administration officials announced Wednesday that they have trained screeners at Logan International Airport to monitor passengers' body language.

NewsCenter 5's David Boeri reported that federal security agents will engage passengers in conversation in order to detect clues. Logan Airport was a major testing ground for the idea, which will be expanded nationwide.

The idea is to use airport screeners for more than checking carry-ons, pockets, shoes and bodies. After the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, Logan began training security personnel to observe passengers more closely.

"I believe that there are a number of physical manifestations of fear and stress and deception. We think those are clearly linked to criminal activity and terrorism," TSA Federal Security Director George Naccara said.

A select group of screeners were trained in psychology-based detection techniques that may be exhibited by passengers who warrant closer screening.

"In essence, someone who is acting particularly nervous at a checkpoint -- someone who might be looking for a partner, a team member. Someone who will not look one of our folks directly in the eye," Naccara said.

TSA screeners may ask passengers where they are traveling or for how long their trip will last to try to read the passenger's response.

Authorities said that the method of detection is objective.

"That's why I emphasize, again, that the training, the rigorous training, is so essential," Naccara said.

Behavioral analysis has led to no arrests of terrorists, officials said, and there's no proof of improved transportation security. But officials said they believe the technique is effective.

"We've had a number of cases in which we've identified people with outstanding warrants. We've identified folks involved in drug transactions and illegal amounts of cash being taken out of the country," Naccara said.

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/5695739/detail.html
 
"I believe that there are a number of physical manifestations of fear and stress and deception. We think those are clearly linked to criminal activity and terrorism," TSA Federal Security Director George Naccara said.
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Dunno about deception, but the fear and stress I experience at airports is solely related to the fact that my wife, kid, luggage, body, stroller and possessions get pawed, x-rayed, questioned and scrutinized by little TSA tyrants who can make me miss my plane in the blink of an eye if they perceive anything other than obedience and subservience.

Now any manifestation of that fear and stress in my body language will subject me to further searches and scrutiny. Great!

But hey, if you have nothing to hide...blah blah...we're at war...blah blah...it's for our own safety...blah blah...
 
Oh brother, this is classic federal incompetence on parade. The very notion that you can train regular TSA employees to analyze body language is insane. It's scary that they will be trying it. I can see it now, people with medical disorders getting flagged by some eager federal employee for "looking nervous" or having "manifestations of fear and stress and deception." :barf:

George Bush should be impeached and thrown in a dark brig JUST for derelection of duty on 9/11. Between reading about a pet goat while the nation was under attack, suspicious stand down orders, and B.S. claims of "inability to scramble jets to intercept" I don't believe a word the U.S. government says. Oh but not to worry, they're working hard to "protect" us by testing worthless pet programs at Logan airport :rolleyes: . This incompetent president's approval rating should be flatlined at zero for ANOTHER obvious thing he amazingly didn't do on and since 9/11: arming the friggin pilots! This guy has actually opposed it since day one. It's incredible! This guy has fought arming pilots nonstop. When he lost that battle in congress, he ordered TSA to drag their feet and make the process miserable for pilots.

Simple comparison:

Proper response**************************************George Bush response

Allow take offs if pilot is armed and/or armed LEO is on board*****strand everyone for a week
Arm every pilot***************************************INCREASE the fed gov's power
ARM EVERY PILOT*************************************have feds analyze "body language"
ARM EVERY PILOT*************************************FIGHT ARMING OF PILOTS

This boiled and aerosolized my blood:
Federal security agents will engage passengers in conversation in order to detect clues
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Wonderful, and I suppose not feeling like talking to these a-holes will also constitute a "clue." :mad:
 
Authorities said that the method of detection is objective
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I would be extremely interested to read of an "objective ", fast and accurate way to read body language in a high stress enviorment while doing an interview/interrogation with a subject, most likely from a different ethnecity/race/cultural/language that of the interviewer/interrogator, while the subject knows they are being observed.

My understanding is that El Al does soething like that but that the procedure can take one to 2 hours per person to complete. I do not think that is realisticlly possible in the USA.

If anyone can point me in the correct direction I would appreciate it.:confused:

Skeptical

NukemJim
 
Reality check

"George Bush should be impeached and thrown in a dark brig JUST for derelection of duty on 9/11."

Hint: Get a calendar and check the terms of office. W had been in office for 8 months at the time of the attacks. The real incompetence occurred on Clinton's watch.

NOTE: This is NOT a defense of the Bush terms.
 
"In essence, someone who is acting particularly nervous at a checkpoint -- someone who might be looking for a partner, a team member. Someone who will not look one of our folks directly in the eye," Naccara said.
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This kind of silliness almost makes me want to do just that kind of thing the next time I'm at an airport. The only thing that would keep me from doing so is fear of missing my flight. I guess I could always show up really early....;x


Reminds me of this: http://www.tshirthell.com/traveloffer.htm
 
Sounds like solid police work to me that has been used for ages by the DEA to screen out drug smugglers without knee jerk complaints (except from the smugglers that get caught)......and has also passed constituional muster.

Glad they are getting training in it.

I dont sweat stuff like this too much, maybe becasue I dont think international bankers rule the world

WildeverydayisahappydayAlaska
 
Could it be that "they" are trying to make it so we don't fly?

Air travel is the most efficient way to get across the country. Mobility is freedom.

Perhaps if they make it too difficult, we won't want to do it anymore. We will use cars, trains and buses instead. Then "they" can establish checkpoints at state borders and ask us for our "papers, please" as we pass thru each state.

We then don't travel any more at all and become sedentary sheeple like we are supposed to be, accepting of the constraints put upon us.

They may take our air travel, but they'll never take... our... FREEDOM! (Go Mel Gibson!)

Wild, you got any more of those aluminum hats?

AZBraveheartRedhawk44
 
Hate to tell those of you with BDS this but this type of "search" has been used by Israeli security for over ten years and has all but kept them (of all peoples) airlines clean of incidents. The course under discussion is taken directly from the Israeli system. You would rather have a strip search? Oh, forgot some of you preverts would....:D
 
1. A well-trained terrorist can control body language.
2. If you think this is going to replace partial strip-searches, I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale...
 
this type of "search" has been used by Israeli security for over ten years
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Point 1: This is not Israel.

Point 2: Incidents in commercial air travel in the US are statistically nonexistent, and do not justify the extraordinary (and useless) measures implemented since 9/11. Remember when Richard Reid acted up, and got his arse beaten to a pulp by the passengers? .gov didn't do a frelling thing in that case, and there have been no attempts since then.
 
A well-trained terrorist can control body language.
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Odds are it isnt gonna be a "well trained one", its gonna be some Reid type or some other psychologically deficient fella whose gonna be sweating bullets as he comptemplates allah


Incidents in commercial air travel in the US are statistically nonexistent, and do not justify the extraordinary (and useless) measures implemented since 9/11.
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Perhap[s the security measures since 9/11 have made incidents statistically nonexistent

WildlookingfromtheothersideAlaska
 
you know, i wonder if the TSA announced this as a way to discover passengers that may be mentally unbalanced, and a threat to themselves and/or others, if everyone would accept it?


my take on it is this: if you're going to treat me like a potential criminal, treat everyone else the same way. go ahead, be suspicious. but also be suspicious of every single person, dont allow pukes at the ACLU to dictate that you can't suspect persons of certain ethnic origins for fear of 'offending' them.
 
my take on it is this: if you're going to treat me like a potential criminal, treat everyone else the same way. go ahead, be suspicious. but also be suspicious of every single person, dont allow pukes at the ACLU to dictate that you can't suspect persons of certain ethnic origins for fear of 'offending' them.
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Very well said.
 
Perhap[s the security measures since 9/11 have made incidents statistically nonexistent
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Hijackings weren't a problem before 9/11. They've not been a problem since then. That was a one-time bad deal. Further, don't you think TSA would be crowing about how many hijackings they've prevented, if they actually had prevented any? No, they crow about having confiscated millions of pairs of tweezers. :rolleyes:
 
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