Yet another .22 question......

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BrettMB

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I read through all the posts I could find, so I got quite a few of my question answered, but I still have a few more.

Just to let you know this will be my first gun that I've been the owner of, I've shot misc. firearms before both Pistol and Rifle. I've decided on getting a 10/22, seems like it's one of the better .22's to buy. Now to my questions....;)

1) I'll mostly be shooting Short rounds with the gun, will this be a problem if I get an autoloader? (not enough blow back to load the next round?)

2) What's the big difference between Rimfire and Centerfire? (Is one more accurate than the other?)

3) Are CB Caps the same as Short Rounds?

That's about all I can think of right now. Thanks in advance for any help.
 
.22 Short will not run though the 10/22 which is design around the .22 Long Rifle. There are aftermarket conversions for the 10/22 that will shoot .22 Short but this will be an additional cost and labor to you.

Almost all rimfire ammo today is manufactured for .22 caliber. In a rimfired cartridge, there is only the case, primer compound, powder, and bullet. The pressure sensitive primer compound is placed inside the rim portion of the cartirdge. When the firingpin hits the rim agains the breechface, it will squeeze the primer compound igniting it. This, in turn, will ignite the powder and send the bullet down the barrel.

In a centerfire cartridge, the primer compound is encased in a cup that is wedged into the center of the rear of the case. The cup, if it is of the Boxer type, will have an anvil in it also (the compound is located between the cup and the anvil). When the firingpin hits the primer cup, it will squeeze the compound between the cup and the anvil igniting it. Where the cup goes into case, there is a small flash hole in the center od the cup hole that the igniting primer compound can travel into the main case chamber where the powder is. If the primer assembly is a Berdan type, there will be no anvil with the primer. Instead, there will be a small bump or protrusion in the hole that the cup goes into. This protrusion acts as the anvil like the Boxer type primer. Since it is located directly in the center, the flash holes (there are usually 2 or more for this type) are located off center.

Since the case of the rimfire cartridges are damaged by the firing pin when fired and since it is difficult and dangerous to reload pressure sensitive explosive compound back into the rim, reloading rimfires is generally not done. Since the only part damaged in the centerfire Boxer primed ammo is the primer cup, this can easily be replaced by simply punching it out through the flash hole and putting a new primer in. It is a bit more difficult for the Berdan primed ammo as the flash holes are off center so the punch would have to be indexed before punching out the primer. Plus, I don't know of any primer manufacturer who produces primers without an anvil so removing the anvils of primers designed for Boxer ammo is another step to overcome for the Berdan ammo.

.22 CB and .22 Short are different.
 
To further clarify . . .

.22 LR ammo comes in rimfire only. The stock 10/22 magazine will not load or feed shorts. Also, as you note, the smaller charge will not work the action.

And welcome.
 
You can shoot .22 short, CBs, etc. out of a 10/22, but you'll have to single feed them into the chamber & more than likely, hand eject. They will shoot to a different pace than you're accustomed with your regular ammo.

CB, BB & shorts look a lot alike far as size goes, but there's a big difference in bullet & power level. There's actually .22 short Hi-Speeds on the market - for whatever reason.
 
So I should really be looking into a bolt-action .22, since I'm gonna be shooting the short rounds, correct? Any suggestions on one of them?
 
If you want a .22 bolt action, might I suggest one of the Romanian military surplus rifles. They're nice. They're cheap. They shoot well. They come with a weaver-type scope rail for mounting a scope. I usually see these selling in the $70 range…

If I may ask: why are you so set on using .22 shorts? I think you’ll find a greater variety of .22 LRs, and LRs are usually cheaper. I get boxes of 550 Federal LRs for about $8 at Wally-Mart. If you want to use Shorts because they’re subsonic, you should be aware that there are plenty of subsomic LRs, including some really low velocity rounds from Aguila.

If you decide on the 10/22, I think you’ll be happy with it. That’s a well-engineered rifle and there’s tons of aftermarket stuff to allow you to modify it to meet any special requirement you might have in the future.

Semper fi,
Bruegger out.
 
Bolt action .22

Try to get your hands on a CZ. I think the model number is 452.

No upgrades necessary except a scope. This is one fine rifle.

Regards.
 
Brett,

Even some (most ?) bolts don't feed shorts (I'll use that as a generic term for everything not LR). Check (probably) the left side of the barrel & it should state whether or not it'll do shorts.

Many tube-fed rifles'll do shorts - semis, pumps, & bolts.

Bruegger's right about availablities of multi-purpose LR ammo - covers a wide spectrum - sub-sonic up.

Only thing a CB cap can do better than some of the really low-powered (Collibris' "no powder" load, for example) is have more punch while being half as loud as a good sub-sonic LR. Not really all that many applications where it would ever matter.
 
Brett,

Why, exactly, are you limited to .22 Short? Is it due to noise levels? Short range?

.22 Short is generally higher in price than a comparable quantity of .22lr and a much small variety to choose from.

If .22 Short is your limit, you might want to also check out the tube magazine fed lever action rifles as they are said to feed .22 Short, .22 Long, .22 Long Rifle without any modifications.
 
Here's what I'm looking for, this is probably what I shoud have done to start with. I want something to target shoot in my backyard, so I'd like to keep the noise level down. My friend shot off a .22 short round (not sure what brand) for me and that noise level is fine. I'm looking for something accurate, so when I miss a target I can blame it on myself and not the gun. Basicly I'm a newbie, so that's why I came to seek advise.

If there are .22 LR ammo out there that is as quiet as a short round, I'd go for that.
 
Depending on your "back yard," shooting anything might be a way bad idea. Do check into your local laws before doing anything of the sort.

Word to the wise is all.
 
labgrade: I won't have a problem shooting, there's plenty of property behind my house, I'd just rather keep the noise down so the neighbors don't complain. I believe in NY the law is you need to be 500' from an occupied residence, the neighbors house is about 300'.
 
Brett,
a lever action or a bolt acton .22 will generally feed a short with no problem, as the levers are tube fed.

That being said, get some subsonic .22LR's is my recommendation. There are plenty out there, and some that cycle your bolt, and some that won't. The subsonics are not too loud. That's a MUCH better way to go.

Although a .22Short is very small and not very likely to do all that much damage, it is still a BULLET, and I would not recommend putting anything into a gun, which was not designed for that caliber. That's a BAD idea, and a good rule of thumb to keep if you want to keep your thumbs.

Shoot often, shoot safe.
Albert
 
If I may, would like to suggest looking into the Browning BL-22, lever action. Handles .22 S, L, and LR just fine. Very nicely made, a joy to shoot and quite accurate. Available used with some finish wear for around 150 bucks. New close to 400 in some places.

Side thought. Some of the match .22s with bull barrels and long counter bore at the muzzle are quieter than a lot of air rifles when usin subsonic ammo.

Sam
 
Sam knows about lever guns. That's all he had when he was your age.

I have a (new) Henry lever gun in .22 that handles all lengths of .22 and holds 15 rounds of .22 LR, more of the others. The long octagonal barrel makes for quiet shots. Also reasonably priced, accurate and smooth. I have no experience with Browning lever guns, but my Buck Mark is built like a watch.

Lever guns can be scoped if you want, and they always make you feel like the Clantons are about to come over the ridge.
Regards, pardner.
 
You guys got me really confused now :D .

Side thought. Some of the match .22s with bull barrels and long counter bore at the muzzle are quieter than a lot of air rifles when usin subsonic ammo.
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This sounds like a good way to go. But how much will this run me, to get a .22, and a new barrel? Can you give me some more info on this?
 
the first thing you need to do is COVER YOUR A$$. if the neighbor is less than 500 feet from where you'll shoot get his permission in writing to do so. It will save a lot later !!!!
 
Given what you're looking for in the ammo (low noise level) I'd say stick with the .22LR. There's a larger variety of subsonic ammo, all the way down to the "no gunpowder" loads mentioned above, and then action type is a moot issue.

Cabelas.com sells bricks of some of the Aguila subsonic ammo for a very reasonable price so you can try 'em out and see if you like 'em with only a small investment.

If you're using these really low-powered loads in an autoloader, they MAY have problems cycling the action, so a bolt, pump or lever action may be best.

Bruegger out.
 
BrettMB,

You are correct: the general law in NY states that it is illegal to discharge a firearm within 500 feet of an occupied dwelling without the permission of the occupant. This applies to bows as well. I simply went to my neighbors and got their okay. Didn't do it in writing, but that's not a bad idea.

However, you also need to check out local laws. My town doesn't have its own discharge law, but yours might. There are towns that ban all discharge of firearms within town limits. So check with your local LEO before you do something that could get you in trouble.
 
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