Yet again...Sig v. H/K v. Glock

DPSproles

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I have agood friend of mine who is debating on which one of these three to purchase. NOW is your time to convince him one way or the other. His current use will be home defense, with the future having CCW possibilities.

Answer these questions for him (and yes, I know..."you need to handle them before you know for sure"):rolleyes:

1. Accuracy out of the box?
2. Concealable?
3. Reliabilty?
4. Cost v. "bang?" (aka "bang for the buck")
5. In your experience...which would you buy?

I appreciate (as does Kevin) your advice and opinions on this topic.

David
 
DPS,
Remember these are just my personal choices...

1)most accurate out of the box
Sigs followed by HK's then Glocks

2)Glocks are easiest to conceal

3)I think all are pretty close in reliability
but I would give a slight edge to Glocks

4)Glocks win bang for the buck.Sigs & HK's are now
priced somewhere in the stratosphere

5)I would buy Sigs 1st follwed by Glock then HK
 
In my experience of the choices given, I'ld pick the Glock in all categories.

Rick
 
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Accuracy: Sig Sauer, hands down
Concealability: Glock
Reliability: Sig Sauer
Bang for the buck: Glock, hands down
Which would I buy: Glock
 
1. HK
2. Glock
3. HK
4. Glock*
5. HK**

* As value goes, you can't beat the Glocks
** In my experience? Well, I'm a little biased I'm always looking for the next HK to add to the collection.
 
  1. SIG Sauer
  2. SIG Sauer
  3. SIG Sauer
  4. SIG Sauer
  5. Glock
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    If you find a good deal on a SIG Sauer, then #5 should be changed to "SIG Sauer."

    I own four SIG Sauer's and two Glock's, but I don't own any HK pistols because they can't beat SIG Sauer or Glock in any category including price.
 
How can you make these determinations without knowing what caliber we're talking about ?

For instance, I would not be inclined to buy a Glock .40, but a 9 would be fine.

Let's assume .45 acp:

1. Accuracy out of the box? HK, Sig, Glock
2. Concealable? Sig, HK, Glock
3. Reliabilty? HK, Glock, Sig
4. Cost v. "bang?" (aka "bang for the buck") Glock, Sig, HK
5. In your experience...which would you buy?

HK .45 Compact. Adequate for home defense, can be fitted with a UTL, but entirely concealable.

Sig, decent triggers, poor finish durability.

Glocks point to the sky when I hold 'em so I would not consider one. Besides they offend the eye :)
 
Accuracy out of the Box: Sig (unless we're talking HK P7, in which case I'd go with the HK)

Concealability: Anything polymer will be lighter. That one goes to Glocks and HK's (I assume we're still talking USP's). Sig makes a polymer gun (the SigPro), but I don't like it. Regarding size, the Sig 228/229, the Glock 19/23, and the HK USPc will be better than the full sized versions (Sig 220/226, Glock 17/22, USP). The edge, however, has to go to the Glock because of it's lack of protrusions (ie, hammer, safety, etc.).

Reliability: They're all good, although I've had problems with the extractor on my P7. Also, my FML Glock mags fail to drop when empty.

Bang for the Buck: Glock. The bangs are about equal, but the Glocks are cheaper. Occasionally you find a sweet deal, though (I bought my NIB USPc 9mm for 500 with a holster and extra mag).

Which would I buy: Considering all issues, the Glock 19 (I have a 23, but I have other 9mm's). Probably the best all around gun. Great cartridge which is powerful, cheap, and readily available. Perfect size for home protection or concealed carry. 15 rounds with full caps. Not outrageously expensive. Easy to find accessories (especially holsters).
 
1. Accuracy out of the box? Of course SiG! Anyone that says otherwise is way in denial. Then Hk, then..Glock.

2. Concealable? Glock being smallest, SiG and Hk being the largest.

3. Reliabilty? Definitely SiG and Hk right behind it. Hardly any problems or jams or any with either esp. SiGs.

4. Cost v. "bang?" (aka "bang for the buck") SiG again and then Glock then Hk. SiG is more pricey than Glock but definitely worth it! Hk is the most expensive of the three but also worth it.

5. In your experience...which would you buy? SIG! SIG! SIG! And an Hk just for the hell of it.

*People will try to convince you or tell you what they only know, have experience with and own. Don't let that make the decision for you. Some are even biased just because. Tell your friend to go to the range and rent each gun and see how he likes the feel and shooting, etc of each and go from there. That's how i broke it down. It was a tough competition between the Hk and SiG for me. But SiG just won it over. Good luck!
 
1. Accuracy out of the box? It depends what you shoot best.

2. Concealable? Glock offers several sizes from large to itsy bitsy.

3. Reliabilty? A Glock fires when the trigger is pulled. Why improve on what works?

4. Cost v. "bang?" A Glock will outlive you and will cost under $500.

5. In your experience...which would you buy? Glock...then another Glock so it wouldn't be lonely. :D
 
1. Sig (probably, although Glock is a very close second)
2. Glock (Although, I carry a Beretta 92G and a G19 daily)
3. Glock (always go bang and they do not rust)
4. Glock (hands down winner)
5. Glock (have owned Sigs and Glocks, kept the Glock)

Then do two things: 1. Get professional training, 2. Practice, practice practice.
 
I have owned all 3 makes. Here are my personal feelings.

Accuracy? SIG, HK and Glock in a distant 3rd place

Concealability? Depends on which model you get.. Glocks are very flat so they conceal easily but my SIG 239 is also very flat and easy to conceal. The HK P7's are also flat and concealable...so I would say that they are equal in this catagory..

Reliability? They are all equal here too..

Bang for the Buck? Glock.. they are as close to disposable as you can get. But the SIG 239 is around the same price as a Glock.. HK prices all their guns high.

My Choice? SIG.. They are extremelly well made and ooze class and rank as one of the finest combat handguns in the world. Then would be HK and then Glock in a distant 3rd.
 
Tell your friend to shoot them, he should find all three at the range. All are excellent so it'll boil down to personal preference. For example, I love Sigs, detest Glocks and think HKs are very nice despite an extremely strange magazine release. Unless you get an individual lemon, all three are good choices. Asking which is the best without him trying on his own will yield the usual assortment of opinions and myths.
 
Mk11 is right.

Shoot them all at the range them decide.

I have or have had them all. Guns I've owned and shot Sig P220, P226, P239, Glocks (G17/19/26/27/23/29/20/21/30) and HK USPs/MP5s/USC Carbines/P7s, and most of the others too. Sold some, kept some. But will never sell my 1984 HK P7, PSP. Only see one or two a year.

Home defense,CCW possibilities, non reloader - Glock 30 with a G21 (13) round hi cap with A&G mag sleeve and a (9) round mag for CCW. (13) rounds of 45 ACP +P+. Big holes, 9mm +P+ recoil, and its the most accurate short range Glock made.

BEST RECOMMENDATION:
Or if you are a big boy and can handle magnum rounds and you reload, a Glock 29 in 10mm with the same setup with G20 hi caps. Same frame and size as the G29. Very concealable but with a compact sight radius for great accuracy. But you gots to reload to shoot 10mm well. At $20 a box at your local dealer, you'll have to sell the farm to shoot it a lot.

Or if you'd like 40 short and whimpy :rolleyes:, get a Glock 23 with hi caps. :barf:

Or if you really really need a flat gun, the P7. skip the Glock 36 in 45 ACP, its a fake Glock with way more snap to it than any of the 10mm and 357 Sig's I've shot. That Glock sucks like a Hoover and shoots like a sailor fresh into port from a six month sea tour. You'll get that one later.

1. Accuracy out of the box? The most accurate combat handgun out their is the HKP7, preferably the PSP (it's thinner and lighter). And its the safest since the squeeze coker is a great safety override for children. 1" groups at 25 yards rapid fire. My Sigs were also very acurate. The USP line was not given me the type of tight small groups I get from other guns.

Out the box, most of these guns can deliver 2-3" groups at 25 yards, IF YOU ARE A DISCIPLINED AND SKILLED SHOOTER. Many times its shooter error and bad ammo that causes inaccuracy :eek: not the mechanics or design of the gun EXCEPT for the P7. I've seen bad shooter look good with those.

2. Concealable? The HK PSP is real thin and disappears IWB. But the G26/27/29/30/19/23 all a popluar in CCW circles. Sig fans like the subcompacts like the P239. I dislike the hammer on the Sigs since it will snag during your draw. Seen a dozen Sig guys catch their shirts in steel plate shoots when drawing from their holsters.

3. Reliabilty? The HK P7 will fire even without an extrator. Its a tank. But for guns under $600, Glocks. My Sigs broke their trigger springs and develop rust spots frequently. Not a gun for humid land. The HK USPs are okay if you dig 1911 style controls.

4. Cost v. "bang?" (aka "bang for the buck")
Sigs, HKs, and Glocks are expensive. $550 + for a NIB or $400ish for a used. Buy a used Glock for about $400 and call it a day. And they are hot on resale too. P7s are hot on resale too. USPs can be hard to sell since Glock has a dominant market share in civilian and law enforcement sales.

5. In your experience...which would you buy?
I bought all of them except for the USPs. Avoided them. when HK's P7 sales in the US started dipping and police departments stopped geting the HK MP5 submachine guns for american made Colt AR-15s or miliatry M16's they introduced the USP line to make their guns more affordable. It didn';t work. their sales on that line have plateaued. Just like the SigPro polymer P-series gun failed. Only Glock does the polymer right.

For customer support,the greatest number of accessories, an active webboard (GlockTalk) and their own sport shooting foundation, GSSF, you can't go wrong with a Glock.
 
This has been my experience:

1. H&K
2. GLOCK (see comments below)
3. H&K
4. GLOCK (see comments below)
5. H&K ONLY

My opinions:

1. I haven't found any of the three to shoot more accurately for me off hand than the H&K. When I shoot them, I get better groups than any of my other brands of hanguns.

2. This is highly dependent on which model you choose (P245, mini GLOCKS, compact USPs?). A lot of misinformation gets passed around on the web.

One thing I hear repeatedly is that the GLOCK is thinner than the H&K. This is not true (H&K USP compact .45 is 1.14 inches, GLOCK 30 is 1.27 inches, even the GLOCK 36 is only 0.01 inches thinner than the H&K compact). In fact, the USP compact in .45 is only 0.04 inches thicker than the G19 (9mm). This is a myth that gets passed around until everyone believes it to be true. Granted, there are other things to be considered when choosing a carry gun besides overall thickness.

4. Overall, I would think the GLOCK would win hands down in this category. I'm biased towards the H&K because it happens to be my favorite, and I think it gets a bad rap for prices. There are a lot of shops that really jack up the prices on H&K's, but if you are willing to do some shopping you can find great prices. In fact, I can find NIB H&Ks that are within $50 of a comparable NIB GLOCK. $50 isn't enough to make me choose one way or the other (I would choose on what I believed to be the merits of both firearms in question).

5. All that being said, I would choose the H&Ks. I like how they feel, I like how they look, I like how they shoot, I like pretty much everything about them. :D

As always, I would encourage your friend to shoot them all and buy what he likes best. In reality, all three would be great guns.

Shake
 
Here's my answer's:

1. Accuracy- dead even, as both are
"combat firearms".

2. Reliability- the edge here goes
to the Sig classic "P" series, with
out a doubt.:D:

3. Concealment- here again the edge
goes to Sig; cuz, the H&K USP is a
HUGE firearm!!!:(

4. Cost- both are expensive, with
the H&K demanding slightly higher
prices.:(


5. And, in my experience- the Sig's
are the best "out-of-the-box" performers.
Craftsmanship at it's finest. Having
owned a full-size H&K USP .45 and a
Sig P220, P226, P228, and P229; I feel
like my opinion ought to be worth a
damn. Buy, a Sig- you won't regret it!!!

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
 
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