Wyoming Drops 14 States From Reciprocity List

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waynesan

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I was first made aware of this on another forum. I called the Wyoming Attorney Generals Office to confirm the facts as reported and its true.

I was planning on going to Wyoming this year on vacation. Now I'm going to have to make some changes in my plans. The following quote is from a directive sent out to all law enforcement agencies in the State.


Quote:
TO: All Wyoming Sheriffs
All Wyoming Chiefs of Police

FROM: Forrest C. Bright, Director

DATE: February 12, 2009

RE: Concealed Firearm Permit Reciprocity

I am writing to let all the agencies in Wyoming know of substantial changes resulting from review of other states’ concealed firearm criteria. The Wyoming Attorney General’s Office recently completed examination of the other 49 states statutes for the purpose of honoring concealed firearms permits issued by another state, or reciprocity.

Pursuant to Wyo. Stat. Ann. § 6-8-401(a)(iii), Wyoming will recognize a permit from another state that “has laws similar to the provisions of this section, as determined by the attorney general . . ..” The Wyoming Attorney General has determined that with the exception of 8 states, presently all the others concealed firearm permit statutes are not sufficiently similar to Wyoming’s. Specifically, Wyo. Stat. Ann. § 6-8-104(b)(v) prohibits issuance of a permit to any person who has been convicted of a controlled substance violation, felony or misdemeanor in any jurisdiction. Most other states’ analogous
statutes do not.

The Wyoming Attorney General holds that if a misdemeanor drug conviction disqualifies a Wyoming resident, is also needs to disqualify an out-of-state permit holder. Due to the difference in how each state handles controlled substance convictions, Wyoming is also limited in our ability to maintain reciprocity with states we may have previously.
Accordingly, as of March 1, 2009, Wyoming can only honor concealed firearm permits issued by the following states: Connecticut, Ohio, Georgia, Oklahoma, Maryland, Oregon, Massachusetts and Utah.
 
Arizona ARS 13-3112:

E. The department of public safety shall issue a permit to an applicant who meets all of the following conditions:

1. Is a resident of this state or a United States citizen.

2. Is twenty-one years of age or older.

3. Is not under indictment for and has not been convicted in any jurisdiction of a felony unless that conviction has been expunged, set aside or vacated or the applicant's rights have been restored and the applicant is currently not a prohibited possessor under state or federal law.

4. Does not suffer from mental illness and has not been adjudicated mentally incompetent or committed to a mental institution.

5. Is not unlawfully present in the United States.

6. Has ever satisfactorily completed a firearms safety training program authorized by the department of public safety pursuant to subsection O of this section and provides adequate documentation that the authorized training program was satisfactorily completed. For the purposes of this paragraph, "adequate documentation" means a certificate, card or document of completion from an authorized firearms safety training program pursuant to subsection O of this section, dated not more than five years earlier than the date of application, that has affixed to it the stamp, signature or seal of the instructor or organization that conducted the program, or a current or expired permit issued by the department of public safety pursuant to this section. This paragraph does not apply to:

(a) A person who is an active duty Arizona peace officer standards and training board certified or federally credentialed peace officer or who is honorably retired as a federal, state or local peace officer with a minimum of ten years of service.

(b) A person who is an active duty county detention officer and who has been weapons certified by the officer's employing agency.

(c) A person who is issued a certificate of firearms proficiency pursuant to subsection X of this section.
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Hmm. Nothing in there about the War On (some) Drugs. I'm not particularly interested in drug use, but I'd like reciprocity with Wyoming. Perhaps time to add just a little something to Arizona statute?


Specifically, Wyo. Stat. Ann. § 6-8-104(b)(v) prohibits issuance of a permit to any person who has been convicted of a controlled substance violation, felony or misdemeanor in any jurisdiction. Most other states’ analogous
statutes do not.

The Wyoming Attorney General holds that if a misdemeanor drug conviction disqualifies a Wyoming resident, is also needs to disqualify an out-of-state permit holder. Due to the difference in how each state handles controlled substance convictions, Wyoming is also limited in our ability to maintain reciprocity with states we may have previously.
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Is there anything else missing besides the drug misdemeanor conviction?
 
waynesan,

I understand the frustration, but why would this make not want to visit Wyoming??? Seems a little paranoid to me.
 
waynesan,

I understand the frustration, but why would this make not want to visit Wyoming??? Seems a little paranoid to me.
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All I'm saying is that as I consider flying out West for vacation, I will be more inclined to visit and spend my money in states and areas where it is more convenient and where I am not burdened with having to be careful on how I handle my gun. And since the new National Park rule went into effect, I would not be able to carry in a NP in Wyoming since they have chosen not to honor a Tennessee permit.

As far as adjusting our travel plans I will now more likely visit Montana or at least spend more time there since I have spent little time in either State and they both have a lot to offer vacationers.

Its really not about being "paranoid". No more so than not doing business in a store that has a "no guns allowed" sign in the window. If there is a store down the street that has the same merchandise for about the same price, they will get my business.
 
As far as adjusting our travel plans I will now more likely visit Montana or at least spend more time there since I have spent little time in either State and they both have a lot to offer vacationers.
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I try not to let the gunwoobie issue interfere with my travel plans, elst I would have never have gotten to visit the Verdun battlefield :)

WildlifeistoshorttoworryaboutwhowillletyoucarryagunornotAlaska ™
 
Wyoming dropped more than 14 states, I count 19.
Connecticut, Georgia, Maryland, Massachusetts, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon and Utah.
Green are states that are new to the reciprocity list and red are states previously listed.
These states were listed on this site last updated 1/14/09,
(I understand this site is only a summary and the state official web page is where we should look for the definitive answer)

AL, AK, CO, FL, ID, IN, KY, LA, MI, MS, MT, NH, NC, "NM", PA, SC, SD, TN, TX, are dropped.

Then If you have an out of state Utah permit,looks like you are good to go.
 
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just a side note, Wyoming allows you to carry openly without a permit. If you would like to come to Wyoming:D and Wyoming no longer has reciprocity with your state:mad:, you can still carry, just ware one on the outside...with pride!:cool:
 
There's a big difference between how Wyoming deals with drug offenses and Kalifornia.....I'm glad I'm in Wyoming.
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Since I don't so much as drink I don't really have a dog in this race but 2nd Amendment rights are rights and just like I'm in the fight to defend our rights here I'll defend your rights there. If you choose to shoot people for smoking a joint at 16 or stone women for adultery thats up to you. But stripping someone of their constitutional rights should only be reserved for a felony not an infraction.
 
is being fair and balanced "stripping" you of your rights?

Wyoming has appaently decided that when other state's citizens visit, they should be held to the same standard as Wyoming citizens. Is there a fundamental flaw in that approach?

Not honoring your out of state CCW permit is NOT stripping you of constitutional rights. If you need a permit, it isn't a right.
 
I have a problem with any state (including my own) using non-felonies to restrict rights. Now perhaps you don't see bearing arms as a right but I do. If Wyoming chooses to treat marijuana smoking as a felony that is their right. It's silly, but they have they right to make silly laws - God knows we have more than our fair share. What I'm saying is resident or non-resident non-felons should not be stripped of the rights afforded the rest of society. But if you want to defend the concept that the right to bear arms is merely a privilege to be granted, revoked or ignored at the whim of government then that is your right.

FWIW my Utah permit appears safe, at least until coffee is banned. ;)
 
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Interesting point, I suppose, but travel is a lot nicer armed when carrying your work laptop with sensitive info (client's SS #'s and info for insurance policies), a rifle or two, and other goodies anyone who spots an out of state traveller might decide to attempt cashing in on.

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MrSardonicus
just a side note, Wyoming allows you to carry openly without a permit. If you would like to come to Wyoming and Wyoming no longer has reciprocity with your state, you can still carry, just ware one on the outside...with pride!
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I have been told that Open Carry is restricted in many places in Wyoming and that many cities have actually outlawed it. Is this true?
 
While it is true that businesses can post a sign on their entry doors stating that they do not allow open carry in their establishment, and the same restrictions which apply to concealed carry apply to open carry, it is my understanding that municipalities cannot disallow one to carry openly in one's own vehicle and out of doors. I have numerous close relatives who are LE's in no less than 7 different counties. Some Sheriff's Deputies, some HP's, some PO's. They all say the same thing, and I quote; "God bless Wyoming, cuz you can walk down any street in this here state with a loaded hoglegg on your hip right out there in front of God, Adam, Joe and Jane, and aint no 5-0 gonna bat an eye."

according to opencarry.org:
Wyoming

Summary
Wyoming is one of our "Gold Star" open carry states. There is complete state preemption of all firearms laws, open carry is constitutionally protected and law enforcement is aware of its legality.

State Constitution Article I, Section 24: The right of citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and of the state shall not be denied.

Minimum Age to OC: No Statutory Limit

Preemption: Complete State Preemption of All Firearm Laws

NOTE: Almost all states allow local regulation of the discharge of firearms

Open Car Carry: You may open carry in a vehicle. It must be clearly visible.

:):)
 
I just got an email from Wyoming's US Senator Mike Enzi which included the following:

Enzi co-sponsored a bill to support the Second Amendment. S. 371, the Respecting States Rights and Conceal Carry bill, would allow individuals to carry lawfully concealed firearms across state lines, while at the same time respecting the laws of the host state. Some states with concealed carry laws already grant reciprocity to permit-holders from other select states. This bill would allow permits to be valid across all state lines as long as traveling individuals follow the laws of the host state, including laws concerning specific types of locations in which firearms may or may not be carried.

I knew I liked this guy...;)
 
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