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What would you do if you were armed and witnessed this?

Watch the video first.
Make your decision, then read this:

The reason I ask you to watch the video first is because I don't think you should know the details until after you have made your decision on how to handle situation. If you were confronted with this scenario you wouldn't know the details until later. Of course in this scenario you also wouldn't have much time to make a decision, but there's not much we can do about that here.

Just curious to see what you guys think you would have done and what you think should have been done.
 
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Monday morning quarterbacking is easy here, he never should have approached a group that large alone. A good tactical pocket folder would have served nicely there. a Handgun would have been pretty useless IMO, I would have left it in the holster and pulled my CRKT M16. It kinda hard to beat on someone with your tendons cut:cool: That guy deserves some credit for walking away from a beating like that though.
 
I'm pretty sure that the reason this guy was attacked, was because he was alone. These perps were looking for an easy target and I am sure that there was a supercharge of adrenaline as they certainly had security in numbers. Serious wrong place at the wrong time for the victim...it will be interesting to see how the casinos work up a plan for this.
As for what I would have done if I witnessed this and were armed...well, i sure as hell wouldn't pull out my weapon, who knows what the kids had underneath their coats? Don't even want to think about what this could escalate into!! I would have most likely run to help the guy...after calling 911, maybe gotten excellent descriptions of a few of the perps, maybe followed them to make sure that there would be a greater than average chance of catching them...ahhh, perhaps I would have pulled out my "9" Iron and started to whack some noggins!!
 
What would you do if you were armed and witnessed this?
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Deadly force. Hit the first guy you have a clean shot at and hope the rest scatter. If they don't well, hopefully you took that shot from behind some cover and you have few extra mags. You haven't been neglecting your range time have you?
 
link is no good, but I found the clip. My first thought was a warning shot to try and scatter the gang. However, my daily carry is for defence, and It would be hard to engage this crowd from a distance with my p-11. Better to call 911 first, and then give first aid. It wouldn't do the victom any good to get myself beat. If I had more ammo, and a longer range weapon my answer would be different. It would not be easy to watch this happen.
 
Hard to say. Depending on my distance, I believe I would fire a few shots in the air (if I'm covered by something), in hopes the shots would scatter them. If not, I would take 2 or 3 shots at the crowd randomly (again hoping this scatters them), if this does no good -- then the guy being beat is sol. Right after this I would dial 911, as I'm sure others nearby would be doing as well.

Though if you look at I from a different perspective, if I escalated the situation, I could get the guard killed / or myself as well.

To be honest, it's hard to say what would really go down. I can say for a fact if it were less than 5, I'd take the shots. But 10+, I'm just not that confident -- nor would I want to see the victim or possibly other victims killed or beaten half to death.
 
I couldn't find the link. From the posts I read, am I correct in assuming this is the video of the guy at the MGM in Vegas getting the snot beaten out of him by the mob of teenagers?
 
That incident happened sometime last week here in Las Vegas. Another related incident occurred the day after at a Wal-Mart, where the mob attacked a Wal-Mart employee and then turned on a woman who tried to help the employee. They have a total of 3 in custody I believe.

I don't carry, but I sure would try to help. I don't think I could live with myself afterwards if I just 'watched'. Kind of makes you wonder, "Did anyone see this?"
 
Call the cops.
This from Ohio's CCW booklet, read espesially the red letter parts;

Defense of Others
A person may defend another only if the protected person
would have had the right to use self-defense. Under Ohio law, a
person may defend family members, friends or strangers. However,
just as if he were protecting himself, a person cannot use any
more force than is reasonable and necessary to prevent the harm
threatened.
A defendant, who claims he used deadly force to protect
another, has to prove that he reasonably and honestly believed that
the person he protected was in immediate danger of serious bodily
harm or death and that deadly force was the only way to protect the
person from that danger. Furthermore, the defendant must also
show that the protected person was not at fault for creating the
situation and did not have a duty to leave or avoid the situation.
WARNING:
The law specifically discourages citizens from taking
matters into their own hands and acting as law enforcement
agents. This is true even if the person thinks he is performing a
good deed by protecting someone or helping law enforcement.
The Ohio Supreme Court has ruled that a person risks criminal
charges if he interferes in a struggle and protects the person who
was at fault, even if he mistakenly believed that person did not
create the situation.In other words, if you misinterpret a situation and interfere,
you may face criminal charges because your use of deadly force
is not justified. If you do not know all the facts and interfere,
you will not be justified to use force. It does not matter that you
mistakenly believed another was in danger and not at fault.Of greater concern than risking criminal charges is the fact
that you may be putting yourself and others in danger. If you
use your handgun to interfere in a situation, and an officer
arrives on the scene, the officer will not be able to tell if you are
the criminal or if you are the Good Samaritan.
Ohio law does not encourage vigilantism. A license to
carry a concealed handgun does not deputize you as a law
enforcement agent. Officers are trained to protect members of
the community, handle all types of situations and enforce the
law. Do not allow the privilege to carry a concealed handgun
give you a false sense of security or empowerment. Let law
enforcement officers do their job. If you want to be a Good
Samaritan, call the police.


How do I know what started it, how do I know that he didn't make a racial slur. I Don't
 
Thats some crazy case law you have got there in Ohio, since you do not appear to need intent in order to commit a crime. I would like to see the case/example where a person was convicted under those circumstances. BTW CCTV camera feeds in Vegas to not go unwatched for very long, I am certain the police were on the way.

A defendant, who claims he used deadly force to protect
another, has to prove that he reasonably and honestly believed that
the person he protected was in immediate danger of serious bodily
harm or death and that deadly force was the only way to protect the
person from that danger.
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This was the case, 911 would not have saved the guy from the injuries he received nor the risk of death.
 
The state of the criminal justice system in Ohio is rather dismal. And I work for the system as a corrections officer.

I think it goes something like this;

Bill (prosecutor) meets bob (defense attorney) at the local country club. As they are getting smashed ( So they can get pulled over in their cars later and prove they are impervious to the law), Bill says to Bob, " Hey Bob, I really need a conviction in this case for my political carrier. You know if you scratch my back I'll scratch yours."
Bob says, " OK Bill, but let me bleed this stooge dry first and then I'll get him to plea to a slightly lesser charge. By the way, when you move up the ladder you'll need someone you can trust ( read that as conspired with) to fill in behind you in public office. By the way, ask the judge to make some meaningless mistakes so we can appeal and bleed his family dry too."
Bill says, " We can do that again. By the way, do you have that little "Campaign Contribution" for me?"

I think it goes like that
 
Thats what this world is turning into if he or anyone would have used deadly force you know what would have happened "He was just a young boy (girl) in with the wrong crowd he didn't have to shoot him" I'm so tired of the BS today a person getting the crap beat ot of him can't defend themselves today. You may get out of the criminal suit but its the civil ones that burn you. I read a story in a mag of a 80+ yr old man who shot a guy breaking in his home killed him:) it cost the man over 10 grand in the civil case when the guys family filled wrongful death charges on him. Thats why i stay home plus gas is to dang high to go anywhere!
 
it cost the man over 10 grand in the civil case when the guys family filled wrongful death charges on him.
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If it only cost him 10 G's then he won the case. Of course it was a loose loose situation. He may have been able to go against the family for wrongfully sueing him but likely even if he had won he would not have been able to collect. I think the attorney should have to pay him.
 
I would wish I wasn't armed... :mad:

Then I would Yell stop or I'll shoot and pray everyone stopped. If they didn't and came at me i'd aim low and make sure I emptied my clip... After that I'd have to take my beating with the other Guy if it didn't stop em... Or get killed by them.
 
That guy deserves some credit for walking away from a beating like that though.
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Either that or those guys hit like girls.

Monday morning quarterbacking says I would command them to stop or get shot. If they didn't I would shoot the biggest threat that I could safely hit without hurting (even more) the good guy. If they turned on me the first few would be leaking profusely prior to punching on me. Once my gun was empty my cold steel tanto voyager would disembowel anyone within range. Unless of course I was KO'ed or killed.

Correct me if I'm wrong but police cannot use anything you say against you in court until you have been marandized. If this is correct then you are free to talk to police up and until they marandize you. They can't use anything before that against you.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but police cannot use anything you say against you in court until you have been marandized. If this is correct then you are free to talk to police up and until they marandize you. They can't use anything before that against you.
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That is NOT correct. I am not going to give you legal advice though, I will leave that to someone else.
 
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