WTO, seatttle, and the National Guard #2

Skorzeny...

I understand the concept, but I'm also a stickler for strict definitions of words, and parsing or redefining established concepts irritates the hell out of me.
The fact that a regulatory organization is involved belies that concept of "free".

For trade to indeed be free, gov'ts and regulatory agencies shouldn't be involved at all. There is nothing to negotiate, there are no restrictions or quotas or tariffs, you just do it. Yes or no, period.

The gov't will get its cut through standard taxes.

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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!
 
A long rant. From what I've seen of "Free Trade" as now practiced, it is a fraud and delusion. This was pushed by the International Corporations so that we unilaterally dropped our tariff walls, allowing them to set up factories in low wage countries and flood this country with those goods. They might drop the price a few cents, but not in any ratio to their cost. I have seen trandy polo shirts made in Guatemala priced at $65. Check your labels folks and question why you are still paying U.S. prices for stuff made in these countries.

These countries keep the wages low by suppressing any union activity and turning a blind eye to pollution and land rape. Check out what's happening to Malaysia's forests as one instance.

My take on Economics 101 is that you can't sell to people with no money. The whole FT scam is to make your products in a low-wage country but still have access to the lucrative American consumer market. Notice that they aren't selling much to the locals.
In an earlier post I mentioned out that the auto companies in Mexico don't have parking lots -- the people making the cars can't afford them. They are bussed to work from their hovels. That still hasn't changed, and that applies world-wide.

During the NAFTA debates, the Wall Street Journal (surprisingly) ran articles on how Mexican labor was getting hosed. Green Giant
worked their Mexican labor 11 months of the year so they could be called "part-time" workers, and thus not qualify even for Mexico's pitiful minimum wage. GG replied to my letter of outrage by patting me on the head and qouting the FT crap. They never denied it. BTW, they shut down their Watsonville, CA. plant, among others, and moved it to Mexico. The place still hasn't recovered.

I talked with a manufacturer in Macon, GA. who was trying to export his newly patented machine that could cheaply take the stems out of strawberries mechanically (!!) and thus make American labor more efficient. He couldn't sell them anywhere. That labor had all gone to Mexico. Why? He went to a couple of Mexican operations and saw 10-12 women and children at a table busily picking the stems out by hand. There was a guy with a bullhorn on a catwalk who was constantly shouting at these people to speed up or get out. The plant manager said that it would cost more to wash that machine down every night than he had to pay all those pickers. It seems that in order to get the job, they had to supply their kids and relatives to work for FREE. It ended up that maybe 2-3 people per table were actually earning money.

In Guatemala and San Salvador, garment sewers started out making 85c a day. Then they started "competing" with Bangladesh and other 4th World countries and saw their wages drop to around 35c.

"Free Trade" and "Global Competition" are nothing more than code words for "Who will work the cheapest?". It's effect here is to eradicate a large portion of our middle class who were making $10-$20 an hour.

Our factories aren't the only thing going overseas. Some years back I read that Boeing, or one of the big aircraft makers had to give the Chinese some of our expertise (related computers and software) in order to set up some plants there. To me, all we are doing is help other countries build up their infrastructure and train their workers at our expense. Something like selling scrap to the Japanese in the 40s and seeing it come back to us as shrapnel.

During the Gulf War we needed night-vision goggles. At that time there were only two major manufacturers, neither in the U.S. Neither one was interested in making any for our military as their civilian market was red-hot. Bush had to get his buddy Mitterand to lean on the French manufacturer in order to get any. Since a lot of our electronics are made in Asia, what's going to happen if we have a war/police action with China?

I notice that every time the media talks about trade or our deficit, they show pictures of us importing foreign cars and then show us exporting grain and lumber. Let's see, import finished goods, export raw material -- that fits my definition of a colony folks.


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That "grain and lumber" should have been "grain and tree trunks". Talk to the folks in Oregon about the latter.
 
Well, let's see what some of the "free trade" agenda items were for the WTO get-together in Seattle:

H/w excerpts from San Antonio Express-News article (11/28/99; p21A) "Spotlight shines on WTO":

Excerpt #1: On the agenda were tariff reductions; health care; food safety; clean air; endangered species; child labor; cultural imperialism; banking; telecommunications; and education and culture "that involve domestic laws."

Excerpt #2: "Trade forum members and observers of the talks say there is a reasonable chance the Seattle meeting will produce only token progress, disappointing agriculture, entertainment and electronic commerce industries hoping for new liberalization...."

Excerpt #3: "This is about democracy -- about letting an unelected bureaucracy in Geneva undermine our laws. We need to stop it in its tracks, before it starts controlling agriculture and bioengineering and many other things." Jerry Mander, Director of the International Forum on Globalization.

(aside: If this director participated in the manipulation of voting district borders to enhance the power of one group of voters over another, that could be called "Jerry Mander's gerrymandering"!)
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I note that gun control, crime control, etc. were conspicuously absent from the publicized agenda. Perhaps our opposition has learned the "one step at a time" concept?

Stick it to 'em! Globally! RKBA!

[This message has been edited by Dennis (edited December 06, 1999).]
 
"Free trade, one of the greatest blessings which a government can confer on a people, is in almost every country unpopular." - Thomas B. Macauly 1800-1859. A few quick thoughts on Mexico and free trade. Why does Mexico remain poor? It has abundant resources and hard working people. It also has one of the most regulated economies in the Americas. Whenever those at the bottom begin making political and economic gains, their Elite screw up the economy with an even steeper tax rate or currency devaluation. The resulting flood of emigrants to our borders is not only composed of the stereotypical migrant worker but also of more educated and skilled individuals. The intellectual capital a country needs to progress is siphoned off to where opportunity exists. Those in power don't care about this loss. The Zedillo administration referred to the border as a safety valve for malcontents. Of course the American Money Establishment(those who have a vested interest in the status quo) along with the IMF show up with loans and even harsher conditions to eliminate any hope for improvement. Greenspan recently voiced concern over the lack in the labor pool and potential wage inflation. Wonder where the bodies will come from. The institutions that thrive on preventing the free exchange of goods and services sustain poverty. I probably would have been a C student in 101, so flame if you must. :)
 
I was watching a C-SPAN call in show about this event. One caller made an interesting point.

After commenting that they all looked like Robocops (good visual), he mentioned that Posse Commitatus is irrelevant now due to the militarization of the police.

I thought that was pretty insightful as their light weapon armament is almost the same now. The only difference (I hope!) is the the police are still trained to "Protect and Serve" while the military is trained to "kill and break things". May this difference be reinforced in light of current events.

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Oatka, excellent post. The people who most want free trade are those who can make the most $$$ for themselves. With our current foreign policy of divorcing human rights from issues of trade (for the benefit of those who will exploit the poor), free trade will do little to reduce the cost of products or to improve the standard of living in poor countries. It's all about the powerful exploiting the poor. I'm no socialist (they are naive or powermongers), but "free-trade" is a code word which can roughly be translated "screw-em and use-em and fill-me-pockets by their toil" // Richardson
 
Free trade is pure capitalism, which happens to be the only system that actually works. Protectionist tariffs hurt the consumer, as do price controls, by artificially inflating the cost of goods and services. Governmental controls on trade amount to socialism, if not fascism.

We've all heard about "sweat shops" but why do people work there if they are so terrible? Could it be those people actually want the job? We in the U.S. make a terrible mistake in placing our values on the third world. What we consider ample pay is exhorbitant there. Consider rural africans working for hunting safari operations. Most of these hard-working folks are paid pennies per day, yet they clamor for the wealth and esteem the jobs bring them. To them it is very good money.

After the Kathy Lee clothing debacle I saw an interview with one of the workers from a "sweat shop" producing her clothes. When asked if she hoped the sweat shop would close she became very upset, and said, "no, because then I would have to go back to being a prostitute". She was about 16 years old.

Do you really want to pay an american union wage for someone to pick tomatos? Can you say $5 tomatos? Our economy is growing at incredible rates, producing high paying jobs and high standards of living, and we sit here grumbling because we want to go back to sewing shirts for the wealthy.

If we had true free trade, and eliminated the cost of governmental regulations on business, we would all have about triple our current buying power, without making any more money. The Japanese car makers faced protectionist import tariffs, yet still were able to produce better, cheaper cars than Detroit, which forced Detroit to react. Now american produced cars are better, if not cheaper, and the japanese workers have increased their wage.

Lastly, look at the wealth of England in the 1850s after they unilaterally dropped barriers to trade.

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"In many ways we are treated quite like men." Erich Maria Remarque
 
You know, people often cite Mexico, Indonesia, China and other Third World countries as being "exploited" by free trade.

Similar thoughts used to be voiced about "sweat shops" in Taiwan, Korea and even Japan (!). Are they full of poor, exploited workers? Japan is a first-class manufacturing nation and the Taiwanese and the Koreans are catching up as middle-class nations.

Seems to be they benefitted mightily from being able to export to more developed nations while the consumers in the developed countries benefitted from being able to purchase lower priced items from these countries.

Now, I theoretically agree that "free" trade is NOT free until there are no regulations, but we have to face the reality that truly regulation-free international commerce is a pipe dream at least for now. Sure, we MAY be able to get there some day, but for now, the next best steps are what WTO is promoting - reduction in tariffs and non-tariff barriers.

Skorzeny

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For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the supreme excellence. Sun Tzu
 
Free trade is exchange that is possible with some, but minimal, regulation. There are many levels of regulatory wedges government places between individuals and their potential transactions. Some have utilty. Most do not. Taxation, applied lightly, and with proper accountability, will not spoil the pot. At its most beneficial and lucrative state, it is a fly in your Chardonnay. Here are 2 examples of economic regulation that the WTO will supposedly arbitrate: ENVIORNMENT 1. Invasive and destructive species should not be trucked into my country by unregulated trade. I agree. In the 1930's we got the imported fire ant off an import ship in a port in Alabama. The cost of this particular alien will be in the trillions of dollars before it is over. Reasonable regulation, education, and hygiene may keep this type of problem from happening again. A justifiable increase in the cost of goods ensues. 2. The European Union has a big problem with genetically engineered crops. Remember Mendell and his peas? Low level genetic manipulation is not a new idea. Hybrid corn is a problem in international trade - for political reasons! The WTO is not about reducing barriers to free exchange. It is very much about the politicization of the world economy. The market is there, but food is artificially inflated for political reasons! A price increase ensues with no justification.
 
I wonder if these Savannah workers see the benefits of Free Trade? Brackets are mine. After every sentence, repeat "Global Competition means 'Who will work the cheapest?', [chorus] 'Ain't Free Trade Great?'."
http://www.savannahmorningnews.com/ns-search/smn/stories/120499/LOCplant.shtml?NS-search-set=/384f1/aaaa192304f132a&NS-doc-offset=0&

Web posted Saturday, December 4, 1999

Plant closing will cost 400 jobs

Apparel factory is one of Tattnall County's largest employers.

By Caitlin Cleary
Savannah Morning News

Nearly 400 factory workers will lose their jobs when the Ithaca manufacturing plant in Glennville goes dark Feb. 11, in the latest of 13 Ithaca apparel plant closings since 1995.

The announcement came Monday: Ithaca Industries Inc., one of the biggest employers in Tattnall County, will close its doors and lay off its workers to cut costs.

For the last 12 years, workers at the Glennville plant made T-shirts, undershirts, and men's and women's underwear on the factory floor, earning an average of $7 an hour. Jan. 28 will begin the "phase-out" process, which will gradually pare down the work force to minimum levels by mid-February.

The reasons for the Glennville plant closure are neither new nor unique.

"Ithaca is trying to stay cost-competitive," said Jeff Gordon, the Georgia human resources manager for Ithaca Industries. "It is not a reflection on the quality or quantity of the work. It is simply a cost reduction measure in the cost-competitive market where we find ourselves."

Glennville's Ithaca plant is the latest in a long line of textile and apparel plants to close around the region. The textile industry in the Southeast has been hit hard by 1994's North American Free Trade Agreement. Trade barriers with Canada and Mexico were lifted; restrictions on foreign investments and services were eased. The cheap labor and relaxed environmental laws drew companies out of the country, and the jobs followed.

In its closure announcement, Ithaca Industries states that cutting costs and being more cost-competitive with offshore manufacturers "will ensure Ithaca's ability to provide long-term support to the communities in which it continues to operate." [. . . as in the next sentence]

Chigbo Ofong, an associate professor of management at Savannah State University who has documented job losses related to NAFTA, warned that closing the plant will help Ithaca's other domestic plants only for the short term.

"This problem will catch up with them," Ofong said. "The temptation to move to Mexico or some other country, it's a trend that cannot be stopped. Either they'll move or they'll go under sooner or later."

Apparel workers in Mexico typically make about $2 an hour, Ofong said.

The workers at Ithaca were not unionized, Gordon said. Employees were given 60 days' notice and the possibility of a transfer to another plant. There are plans for a job fair. But workers will not get severance, Gordon said.

Once, Tattnall County, population 17,000, was home to five apparel factories, providing 850 jobs. Now there is one operation and 50 apparel jobs, said John Cheney, executive director of the Tattnall County Development Authority. Unemployment hovers around 6 percent.

"There is never a good time to lose your job," Cheney said. "But it seems these announcements continuously come at the end of the year, at Christmastime."

The Ithaca closure is the second blow the county is trying to absorb. Dec. 18, 1998, was the last day for Tam Industries, a specialty apparel operation that was knocked out by foreign competition, Cheney said. About 300 workers lost their jobs then.

Cheney and other officials from local, state, county and federal agencies are working together now to come up with a comprehensive plan to "eliminate the enormous void" the Tattnall economy will face, Cheney said.

"The strategy is going to be to do everything we can to retain the jobs we have now," Cheney said. "It's going to be a challenge. But this is a time for the community to rally." [Burger flippers, Unite!]

The Glennville workers are entitled to Trade Adjustment Assistance, a federal program brought into effect after NAFTA to assist displaced workers. The program extends unemployment pay by 26 weeks and allows workers to go to school for additional skills. [First, the hamburger must be . . . ]

Of the sewing machine operators, forklift operators, mechanics and clerical staff, 90 percent to 95 percent were women.

"It's a very good work force," Cheney said. "But there is a GED challenge in that work force."

Cheney added that the workers relied on the proximity of the Glennville plant; many walked to work.

After it closes, Vidalia will have the last Ithaca Industries plant in the state. That plant also employs about 400 workers.

Regional reporter Caitlin Cleary can be reached at 652-0456 or 369-2055.
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It will be interesting to see if Ithaca's clothing reflects the $5 difference in labor costs. It will also be interesting to see how big their CEO's bonus is for "improving the bottom line".

Sorry to be ham-handed with my bracketed remarks, but what we are going to end up with are a whole lot of people making minimum wage and the top 10% making $20+ an hour -- good bye Middle Class, hello the USA, Mexican version.



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My favorite trade agreement: "No tax or duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State. No Preference shall be given by any Regulation of Commerce or Revenue to the Ports of one State over those of another: nor shall Vessels bound to, or from, one State, be obliged to enter, clear, or pay Duties in another." Article 1, section 9, US Constitution. These words did not make us a poor country. They won't make the rest of the world poorer either.
 
If american workers want to compete, they better stay competitive. If it costs $7/hour for american labor, and $2/hour for mexican, then the american laborer needs to produce about 3.5 times as much per hour to be worth it.

It's not all Mexico or Taiwan, either. Caterpillar, Inc is manufacturing tractors in France and Switzerland, in addition to Japan and Brazil, cheaper than they could produce them in central Illinois. I can't remember the last time someone called France or Switzerland third world.

Free trade is good for everyone, including workers. Get government out of the way of commerce and we'll all get richer.
 
The rumors of China using true slave labor to make goods sold in the USA bothers me. FREE labor is hard to compete with! Anybody have info on this?
 
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