WOW..what a pistol

I got to handle a Chinese-made, .45 broomhandle Mauser, and immediately went from ignorant to covetous.
What you'd do with such a gun, who knows, but I sure wanted it.
The Borchardt would be like a vintage car, in that I'd want to put it to use, but wouldn't want to risk it. It would be cool to just have it.
 
Yes, that would be a very nice addition to a collection. I guess if I won a very big lottery I would start collecting interesting guns that I would never shoot. Or at least only shoot very rarely. The Borchardt would certainly be high on the list. As well as a 1st generation Colt SAA, Mauser Broomhandle, a few Lugers, a Broomhandle Mauser, and one I've wanted since I first saw, and read about it, a Webly-Fosberry Automatic Revolver.:D
 
It reminds me of when Clarkson & co. got to drive a Model T on Top Gear, and they couldn't figure out how to control it. It's a classic, and a crucial milestone in the industry, but... that doesn't make it a good gun.
 
All in the eye of the collector/owner.

Not very pretty, but...

I want a shoulder stock (when funds are available) for an 1851 Navy revolver.

Same want, different pistol.

Congrats on your wannabe acquisition!
 
I am more interested in design and mechanism than in rarity, so the Fusion does nothing for me - it is just a fancied up 92FS.

1860's were almost all cut for stock, though few stocks were made or issued, but I have seen only a couple of 51's cut for the stock. One belongs to a friend and has the butt cutout as well as the usual five screws. (They are usually called "four screw" models, but there are two studs, one on each side, so there are actually 5 screws.) I have never seen a stock.

The interesting thing about a Borchardt is not so much the gun itself, but studying the changes made by Luger to make it a more practical pistol. Oddly, in spite of what many writers have said (or repeated) it is not really clumsy. It balances well and due to the long barrel and long stock is a more practical "carbine" than the stocked Mauser, Luger, etc. A word of caution; should you ever be lucky enough to own a Borchardt, do NOT fire 7.63 Mauser or 7.62x25 Russian ammo in it. They are fragile guns; the toggles are thin and hollowed out and can be broken by one shot of hot ammo. It is best not to fire one at all, though here again I have not taken my own advice and did fire a couple of light loads from mine.

Jim
 
yea i think id rather have a nighthawk 1911, cz 75 sp01 , sig p226, glock 34, xdm 5.25, 6'' colt python, m&p CORE, s&w 686......... ALL for less than this one gun. Just saying
 
The C-93 is my "Grail" antique gun. Yes, I'd love to have one. Still, I think $18,500 is a bit high for them. I estimate value at around $13,000 - $15,000.

The problem with the price-point on the C-93 is that for $18,500 you could buy a really nice machine gun for that. And, the machine gun will increase in value faster than the C-93. Some may say I'm comparing apples to oranges, but I'm not. When you get into that kind of money (exception - shotguns), you are paying for future appreciation as well - it's an investment of sorts.

I saw a nice cased Borchardt with stock sell at Rock Island Auction for right around $10K 4 years ago. Yes, I got to handle that one - beautiful!
 
To each his own. I just can't get excited about a gun that I wouldn't be able to shoot. I've never had the itch to collect anything else, though, either. I guess I just want stuff that is practical and functional.

With that being said, it is pretty nifty looking.
 
The problem with the price-point on the C-93 is that for $18,500 you could buy a really nice machine gun for that. And, the machine gun will increase in value faster than the C-93.
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Maybe.

Maybe we get our pipe dream, and that $18,500 machine gun drops to $1,850 almost overnight. Not likely, I know, but maybe...

OR maybe, they get what they want, and that really nice machine gun becomes "surrender without compensation or face jail". If that's the case, odds are the curio & relic antique pistol might be something you could hang on to, or even sell before the law takes them away....

I don't get it, weird, I'd rather have (insert current production gun here), etc,...
Have we fallen so far? or is it just so few really know? The Borchardt is classic, iconic, RARE, a truly defining example of firearms history. Every book tells you how Georg Luger redesigned the Borchardt to create his masterpiece. Some even have a picture of one. Here is a chance to own one, and only for mere money! :rolleyes:

Ok, a LOT of mere money, but still...

Don't you get more money, on a fairly regular basis? I used to get more every week. If I had been less foolish (or more greedy)in my younger days, I'd have enough for that kind of thing, now. I don't, so I just watch but at least I understand why what I can't afford is beyond my reach. :o

The one thing I am not going to get is more time. All Bill Gate's billions can't buy that. Its' not like you see the Borchardt on the shelf every week when you go grocery shopping at WalMart.
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I don't collect for investment. I collect because I am addicted and want it.
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While I really would enjoy having a C-93 for historical and engineering reasons, I do look at the investment end of certain guns when considering whether or not to buy them. I won't pay several thousand more than what I think its worth just to have it. I will pay what I think is a fair price; not looking for a bargain, just a fair price.

With the Borchardt C-93, it's difficult to determine a fair price. Supply is low and demand is high; and sales are far and few between if you are privy to the sales information. However, most of the ones you will come across will be in really nice condition. Still, it is harder to find an all original 1911 manufactured in 1912 in 90% condition than it is to find a nice example of a C-93. Of the 5-6 I have come across, only one was in rough condition - that one had been chromed and it wasn't a very good chrome job. I think the seller was trying to get $8,000 for it - I don't recall if it sold or not.

I think a 90% Borchardt with stock and case should sell between 13K-15K. That's just what I think; not trying to say what the true value is - maybe more maybe less.
 
The problem is that the market is an ever changing dollar sign, and not always reflective of actual value.

All it seems to take is one well heeled fellow actually paying an inflated asking price and everyone then accepts that as the actual value from then on.

That C93 would have been a $13K gun a few years ago. It'll be $21,500 sooner than you think.
 
Well, with the C-93 my bottom line is: I want one, I might be willing to pay 13.5K for a good one, I'm not willing to pay 18.5 or anything close to that for the one in the picture. I just don't want it that much. So, for me, it's not worth it. And, for many many people out there 18.5 is too high too, or it wouldn't still be for sale at that price. I'm sure that some day the price will catch up to what it's being offered for. That's just inflation. In the mean time, I'll make 50% or more on my $18.5 before the price catches up.
 
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