Wow, History Channel?

I believe the STG-44 weight around 10 lbs, which puts it right up there with the standard issue service rifles
True but that was carrying 30 rounds VS 8. You would have to compare a STG-44 to a Grand with 30 rounds for weight.
BAR, I shot 2 magazines through one at Knob Creek Gun Range, loved the gun and controllability,,, but would not want to hump one.
My father worked on them (and other guns) during WWII working in an armory group, the first to land on D day. He remembered that more were non functional caused by the gun being damaged in use than internal failures.
He remembered setting in a circle with other men of his group. First they would dissemble all the guns that came in, just making a pile of parts. Throw away the parts that were damaged or non serviceable. They then had a 55 gallon drum with hot water they cleaned the mud, guck and many times blood off the parts then another one full of oil.
Then they got back in a circle and put them all together again. I know it sounds messy and a poor way to take care of guns. But when you’re on the beach and the Germans were dropping Mistel on top of you, it was the best they could do.
 
I take the History channel with a grain of salt.

They had Franklin Roosevelt on Mt Rushmore and Kennedy signing the Civil Rights Act.

Also had the AK shooting the same round as our 308, even assuming they were talking about just the the bullet (they weren't), they were wrong.
 
All comes down to bottom line. They need advertising dollars to make ends meet.
Y'all remember when TLC was actually the learning channel??
 
Television should be treated just like internet forums. Research, and double check everything for yourself.
Maybe even read a few BOOKS:eek:
 
Television should be treated just like internet forums. Research, and double check everything for yourself.
Maybe even read a few BOOKS
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Books have plenty of faults as well. See Michael A. Bellesiles' book Arming America. Just because it is in a book does not make it so.

Also had the AK shooting the same round as our 308, even assuming they were talking about just the the bullet (they weren't), they were wrong.
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Actually, I believe that was done by Richard Machowicz, a 10 year Navy SEAL veteran, on the show he hosts for the Discovery Channel, "Future Weapons."
 
I watched the first two episodes of Band of Brothers and was, once again, impressed with the attention to detail in those movies. The one thing that did amuse me was how quiet the M1s are in the movie. I guess they didn't want everyone on the set to go completely deaf.
 
All I know is that I love the BAR when fighting hordes of Nazi Zombies in Call of duty. Very effective in threat elimination. (I only play COD in between episodes of Ice Road Pawn Swappers and Battlefield Logging Conspiracies)
 
My grandpa was the BAR man in the Korean war and he's only ever said positive things about it. He did mention that he could only stay in a spot for 20 or 30 seconds at a time because they always targeted the automatic rifles first.
 
I've had the great fortune of knowing many WWII and Korean war vets in both my MCL detachment and VFW post, some of those were BAR gunners as well. I have yet to ever hear any of them have any complaints about the BAR other than the weight carrying the thing.
As far as the history channel goes, I think I first got cable around the lae 90s and back then, the history channel was my favorite channel. However, today it is such trash on that show I can't even stomach watching it. Matter of fact, I don't even both with cable TV at all any more with the programming having gotten so bad over the years but the history channel is the main reason I quit the whole cable racket...and I don't miss it one little bit!!!:D
 
Hey the History Channel does some important work too. Just yesterday I saw a program about what to do when a horde invades your country. Specifically they were talking about a horde of zombies. What could be more useful than that? They gave you all sorts of pointers on how to avoid the individual zombie and how to avoid their triangle of death (two arms and their mouths forming a triangle - if you get inside that you're in trouble). They explained how it didn't help to shoot zombies (see all you guys looking for zombie guns - zombies are already dead so why shoot them again?) because they were already dead and they would just keep crawling at you. See, you watch tv and you learn something. It might be pure bunk but you learn something.

I learned all this within about 5 minutes despite being otherwise occupied (LMAO). So they still do some good stuff. They even connected the Nazis to the zombies. That was a bit of a stretch I thought. Why mess up a serious program by mentioned the "H" word (Hitler). Who doesn't need to know this info for when the zombies try to take over the world. Well they concluded we didn't have a chance anyway so might as well get in on the ground floor and learn to like the taste of brains. :D

I'm still waiting to see how much damage zombies do to the ecosystem. Should we all seek out zombies and join the club? It might be better if we didn't kill so many other animals. I think zombies just kill humans and we all know that's the best thing we could do for the world. When the zombies run out of human brains then what? They all die off of course. Problem solved. No more humans. :rolleyes:

They really did do that show. I'm not making that up. :confused:

And the WWII guys I knew loved the BAR when they were stationed in one spot and didn't have to hump one around all the time. There's always more guys sitting in the same foxhole defending the same piece of ground than there are guys advancing on enemy positions. Well unless the enemy is a zombie horde anyway.
 
The BAR used a 20rd box magazine 30.06 for its day it was one of a kind limited you might say in ammo but portable to say the least it proved to be highly effective in full auto mode, the A2 has two cyclic rates slow rate and fast rate. the slow rate puts the rounds out at about every second and a half the fast rate is about 550 a minute. They are a blast to shoot because when they fire off they speak with authority. Firing from a open bolt it provides adequate cooling both inside and out. It also has a adjustable gas port for extreme conditions so if the time is not provided for cleaning time you can set up the gas port to compensate for it.

Years ago the magazine name eludes me but the article was called "Clash of the Titans" It was a series of tests between three fully automatic rifles the BM59, M14 and the BAR. While the other two were shorter and lighter both fired .308 and both had 20rd magazines but in the test to fire them in full auto at a 500 yard plus target into a cave opening that was I believe 6x6 the BAR was the only one capable of doing so placing 20 out of 20 rounds into the opening of the cave the others were like 2 out of 20. It was the heaviest but it was also the most reliable while the others were prone to jamming the BAR was not
I have been around this beast for a number of years and let me tell you its a new story every time I shoot it. My dad has one and the only real malfunction he has had in the last 20 yrs and thousands of rds through it is a broken case. This may have been John Brownings best invention
 
"Also I believe Clyde Barrow of Bonnie and Clyde was very fond of the BAR. ..."
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I wonder if it made him happy that he and Bonnie were killed by one (among other weapons).

"The BAR was a great rifle. I carried one in the Marine Corps. ... Nobody wanted to carry one because it was heavy, 20+ pounds, always needed more ammo, and in a fire fight your life expectancy was just over a minute.
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I guess you learned to duck, or are you writing that from another dimension?
 
Speaking of weight, I remember that danged M 60 MG as being pretty heavy, too. Well over 20 lbs. , IIRC.
 
TNT, Soldier of Fortune magazine did a comparative test, and the BAR was the only one which could be held on target at 500 meters. The weight advantage.

I shot one in Basic in 1954. Still wish I'd bought one before the ban, when they sold for around $1,250. Only full-auto I've ever really liked, although a Thompson isn't a bad critter.
 
I love the BAR I would take it combat if I had the choice every one that shoots it loves it But if you ever come this way Art we'll take you you shooting it just like basic, dad is never afraid to bring her out.
 
Didn't the BAR have kind of a small capacity mag for full auto?
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Yes, but small capacity is one way of compromising for a magazine that was mounted under the gun. Any longer, and it would contact the ground.

Note the Bren gun, with a magazine that was on top of (and slightly left of center), the action. It held more than twenty rounds but stuck up like a sore thumb.

Then consider the Lewis gun. It had a large, round drum magazine that sat atop of the gun and likely was a pain to advance and carry the gun.

Then there was the French Chow-Chow (not sure of the spelling), the had a curved bottom magazine with a higher round count than the BAR, but had an open slot that was subject to debris.

The Browning .30 air cooled used belted ammo which required at least a two-man crew and was not very handy if picked-up from the tripod and fired (although it was done by John Basilone et.Al.)

Thus, the BAR compromised with a closed, twenty-round bottom magazine that enabled it to be used as a light machine gun instead of a crew-served heavy. Also, being a light machine gun, it did not need to be knocked-down and set-up before being used...it could advance and be fired by a single soldier, standing or prone, instantly. All of this was better served by its smaller twenty round magazines.
 
Would have been nice if it'd had a fast change barrel and had a belt fed option.

But that was what the .30 cal M1919 was for.
 
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