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WoULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO TURN ON THE TV AND HEAR ANY U.S. PRESIDENT, DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN GIVE THE FOLLOWING SPEECH?



My Fellow Americans: As you all know, the defeat of Iraq regime has been completed.


Since congress does not want to spend any more money on this war, our mission in Iraq is complete.


This morning I gave the order for a complete removal of all American forces from Iraq This action will be complete within 30 days. It is now to begin the reckoning.


Before me, I have two lists. One list contains the names of countries which have stood by our side during the Iraq conflict. This list is short. The United Kingdom, Spain, Bulgaria, Australia, and Poland
are some of the countries listed there.


The other list contains everyone not on the first list. Most of the world's nations are on that list. My press secretary will be distributing copies of both lists later this evening.


Let me start by saying that effective immediately, foreign aid to those nations on List 2 ceases immediately and indefinitely. The money saved during the first year alone will pretty much pay for the costs of the Iraqi war.


The American people are no longer going to pour money into third world Hell-holes and watch those government leaders grow fat on corruption.


Need help with a famine? Wrestling with an epidemic? Call France.


In the future, together with Congress, I will work to redirect this money toward solving the vexing social problems we still have at home. On that note, a word to terrorist
organizations. Screw with us and we will hunt you down and eliminate you and all your friends from the face of the earth.


Thirsting for a gutsy country to terrorize? Try France, or maybe China.


I am ordering the immediate severing of diplomatic relations with France, Germany, and
Russia. Thanks for all your help, comrades. We are retiring from NATO as well. Bon chance, mes amis.


I have instructed the Mayor of New York City to begin towing the many UN diplomatic vehicles located in Manhattan with more than two unpaid parking tickets to sites where those vehicles will be stripped, shredded and crushed. I don't care about whatever treaty pertains to this You creeps have tens of thousands of unpaid tickets. Pay those tickets tomorrow or watch your precious Benzes, Beamers and limos be turned over to some of the finest chop shops in the world. I love New York


A special note to our neighbors. Canada is on List 2. Since we are likely to be seeing a lot more of each other, you folks might want to try not pissing us off for a change.


Mexico is also on List 2. President Fox and his entire corrupt government really need an attitude adjustment. I will have a couple extra tank
and infantry divisions sitting around. Guess where I am going to put em? Yep, border security. So start doing something with your oil.


Oh, by the way, the United States is abrogating the NAFTA treaty - starting now.



We are tired of the one-way highway. Immediately, we'll be drilling for oil in Alaska - which will take care of this country's oil needs for decades to come. If you're an environmentalist who opposes this decision, I refer you to List 2 above: pick a country and move there. They care.


It is time for America to focus on its own welfare and its own citizens. Some will accuse us of isolationism. I answer them by saying, "darn tootin."



Nearly a century of trying to help folks live a decent life around the world has only earned us the undying enmity of just about everyone on the planet. It is time to eliminate hunger in America. It is time to eliminate homelessness in America. It is time to eliminate World Cup Soccer from America. To the nations on List 1, a final thought. Thanks guys. We owe you and we won't forget.


To the nations on List 2, a final thought: You might want to learn to speak Arabic.


God bless America. Thank you and good night.
 
Let me start by saying that effective immediately, foreign aid to those nations on List 2 ceases immediately and indefinitely. The money saved during the first year alone will pretty much pay for the costs of the Iraqi war.
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I thought we've already cut aid to those who won't 'play ball'.

While it would be nice to hear something in that ballpark, it's highly unlikely, and for SOME reason I feel like it would set the stage for ww3, Us against the rest of the world...Kinda like that us vs the world iceskating competition except with tactial nukes.

Edit: "Set the stage" MORESO than it already is.
 
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It is time to eliminate World Cup Soccer from America
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:mad: the most popular sport in the world and you want us out of it? wtf dude...at least it's a WORLD cup unlike the bull**** WORLD series :rolleyes:



On a serious note, while most of that would be nice to hear it's unlikely more than half the country would enjoy that and you'd have an impeached president in a heartbeat.
 
"the defeat of Iraq regime has been completed."

We defeated the government, wow, woohoo, that was hard. Meanwhile, we're getting defeated by everyone else.

"Since congress does not want to spend any more money on this war, our mission in Iraq is complete."

We destroyed the government, infrastructure, economy, cities and society. Very complete, I'd say. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for leaving, but it's not because we have COMPLETED anything.

"Let me start by saying that effective immediately, foreign aid to those nations on List 2 ceases immediately and indefinitely."

We ought to be THANKING everybody who didn't support our corrupt, illegal and immoral war. Anyone who supported us is just as morally defunct as we are.

The American people are no longer going to pour money into third world Hell-holes and watch those government leaders grow fat on corruption.

Here's an idea. LEAVE THEM ALONE TO BEGIN WITH.

"pick a country and move there."

That is one of THE MOST RIDICULOUS arguments out there. "I have no brain with which to address what you're saying, so you obviously should leave the country if you don't agree with what I think."



I'm all for withdrawing from the U.N. and NAFTA, and with severing diplomatic ties ("trade and friendship with all, entangling alliances with none" *paraphrased*). After that, your and my beliefs diverge.
 
Wouldn't it be great if people read a thread they weren't interested in, they just moved along to the next one? :rolleyes:

Sorry for wasting 1.62 minutes of your day, you could have spent that time telling someone else what they should or shouldn't do. But I wasted about that long reading your thread, so we're even...

I saw this on another forum, thought it was kind of funny (OK not really funny, only slightly amusing). Next time, I'll let you preview my posts before I put them up, just to make sure they're up to snuff, OK?:rolleyes:
 
Wouldn't it be great if people read a thread they weren't interested in, they just moved along to the next one?
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Wouldn't it be great if people would use a descriptive title for their thread so that they could tell which ones they weren't interested in before having to read it? ;) :D
 
You got me there son! Sorry, will be more descriptive in the future, because Heist will be double-checking my every move.
 
Dear Ammoeater

Loved your post. I don't care where you got it, loved it anyway.It said what I feel anyway. Good for you and to heck with those with no sense of humor. I feel so good now that I think I just might go pull a cork and take a snort. Don't do to many more of these or I'll be blotto by dawn.
 
This has been floating around for quite some time now ... I think at one point it even was attributed to Robin Williams.

Na-nu, na-nu ...
 
"We destroyed the government, infrastructure, economy, cities and society. Very complete, I'd say. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for leaving, but it's not because we have COMPLETED anything."

***That about sums it up. The only thing we completed in Iraq is it's total destruction. Instead of our "stepped up" military presence in the capital curbing the sectarian violence, bombings and death squads, the pandamonium has increased by 50% in the last 3 months with an average of 50 Iraqis being killed daily. The average Iraqi was better off with Sadaam, bad as he was.

And since the US invasion and occupation of Iraq is working out so well, it seems like Iran is next on the agenda. Notice how the rhetoric of Bush et al has heated up lately?
 
It's pretty sick how these emails use the emotions of possibly quite ignorant people to not only express a political point of view but to also throw in the usual propaganda points.

WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO TURN ON THE TV AND HEAR ANY US PRESIDENT, DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN GIVE THE FOLLOWING SPEECH?
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Lovely opening. Start with the promise of bipartisanship, attract their attention with LARGE CAPITAL LETTERS.

My Fellow Americans: As you all know, the defeat of Iraq regime has been completed.

Since congress does not want to spend any more money on this war, our mission in Iraq is complete
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What? Congress has been dumping money into this war, despite never completely approving it.

White House budget chief Lawrence Lindsey predictedthat an invasion and occupation of Iraq could cost between $100 billion and $200 billion. He got fired and Congress was sold a 'lower' cost.

Pinning the blame on Congress for not funding the war is clever, and gives the current administration the credit of ending the war while pointing the finger at Congress for a failed attempt at operating it.


This morning I gave the order for a complete removal of all American forces from Iraq. This action will be complete within 30 days. It is now time to begin the reckoning.

Before me, I have two lists. One list contains the names of countries which have stood by our side during the Iraq conflict. This list is short. The United Kingdom, Spain, Bulgaria, Australia, and Poland are some of the countries listed there.
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Blah blah blah, horsehockey. Bulgaria and Poland sustained 30 casualties before pulling out, while I think we all are aware of the current US death toll.

The other list contains everyone not on the first list. Most of the world's nations are on that list. My press secretary will be distributing copies of both lists later this evening.

Let me start by saying that effective immediately, foreign aid to those nations on List 2 ceases immediately and indefinitely. The money saved during the first year alone will pretty much pay for the costs of the Iraqi war.
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One might point out that the cost of foreign aid in the US is something like 0.1 percent of GDP, if I remember right — that is to say, something like $11 billion. It'd take 20 years to pay off the Iraq war through not paying foreign aid.

The American people are no longer going to pour money into third world Hell-holes and watch those government leaders grow fat on corruption.

Need help with a famine? Wrestling with an epidemic? Call France.
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Nice, the nations on "list 2" contain infamous hell-holes like Egypt, Israel, Canada and Mexico. Let's relinquish influence over two of the most important Middle Eastern powers and our two largest neighbors. Brilliant!

It suggests doing something, which must please the people who forward this around. Too bad it's suggesting that we do something stupid.

On that note, a word to terrorist organizations. Screw with us and we will hunt you down and eliminate you and all your friends from the face of the earth.
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This is good, if a bit of an obvious pander to the oo-rah couch commandos. Too bad it isn't what happens. We never even finished the job in Afghanistan before entering Iraq and the Taliban still controls huge areas of territory. Yeah, and Iraq is going real well, certainly not because certain people in the administration decided that they knew best and ignored the important advice of the military men who wanted things to be done right. Civil war? What civil war? Recruiting poster for terrorists? Hah, we fight them there so that we will not have to fight them here! WMDS! Clinton didn't like Iraq either! Etc.

It would be most acceptable, IMHO, to hear this from Bush. Let's see if he holds the same outlook:

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

"I want justice...There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive,'"
- G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI

"...Secondly, he is not escaping us. This is a guy, who, three months ago, was in control of a county [sic]. Now he's maybe in control of a cave. He's on the run. Listen, a while ago I said to the American people, our objective is more than bin Laden. But one of the things for certain is we're going to get him running and keep him running, and bring him to justice. And that's what's happening. He's on the run, if he's running at all. So we don't know whether he's in cave with the door shut, or a cave with the door open -- we just don't know...."
- Bush, in remarks in a Press Availablity with the Press Travel Pool,
The Prairie Chapel Ranch, Crawford TX, 12/28/01, as reported on
official White House site

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)
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Nope, damn.

I have instructed the Mayor of New York City to begin towing the many UN diplomatic vehicles located in Manhattan with more than two unpaid parking tickets to sites where those vehicles will be stripped, shredded and crushed. I don't care about whatever treaty pertains to this. You creeps have tens of thousands of unpaid tickets. Pay those tickets tomorrow or watch your precious Benzes, Beamers and limos be turned over to some of the finest chop shops in the world. I love New York
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One brief shining moment of logic in the middle of a stream of otherwise moronic and childish if well worded idiocies. Diplomatic immunity should not protect you from parking tickets. Don't pay tickets? Don't expect to keep the car.

A special note to our neighbors. Canada is on List 2. Since we are likely to be seeing a lot more of each other, you folks might want to try not pissing us off for a change.
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Let me get this straight - Canada is on the list of countries that doesn't support America?

The country that allowed hundreds of planes to land in their country when American airspace was closed because the extent of the threat was unknown on that day, and in doing so possibly exposed their own country to danger. Not only did they let the planes into their airspace and land and their airports, but they gave the stranded passengers food, water, shelter, medicine, clothing, email access and the use of phones to contact loved ones, and also comfort and kindness. They did this for days until passengers where able to return to the United States.

Canada also supported the "War on Terror" by sending troops to Afghanistan, and stayed even after they came under fatal friendly fire from the U.S. Military. This is the country that "might want to try not pissing us off for a change"?

We are tired of the one-way highway. Immediately, we'll be drilling for oil in Alaska — which will take care of this country's oil needs for decades to come. If you're an environmentalist who opposes this decision, I refer you to List 2 above: pick a country and move there. They care.
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The estimated amount economically recoverable oil from the Arctic refuge is 3.2-5.2 billion barrels. Wow, six months work. Excellent. That would still hold some promise if we had made real progress on alternative energy and didn't have so many people using 9 mpg behemoths as single-person transports, but obscene excess with no care for the future or resources is the goddamn American Way and you're a filthy pinko commie if you suggest doing something conservative, like, oh, maybe, conserving.

That's only a partial fisking. It's a shame what compellingly worded things people will pass around without even giving it a light poke from logic. A damn shame.
Is this a real example of all that the RKBA movement has to offer?
 
To Heist...

That would still hold some promise if we had made real progress on alternative energy and didn't have so many people using 9 mpg behemoths as single-person transports, but obscene excess with no care for the future or resources is the goddamn American Way and you're a filthy pinko commie if you suggest doing something conservative, like, oh, maybe, conserving.
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Well put my friend, well put. It's a shame that a lot of people think that caring about the environment is a "leftist" idea. I think that's total BS, the environment should be EVERYONE'S concern regardless of party affiliations. Not to take a stab at any Republicans here, but it's a shame to see them driving H2s with only one person in them, with their "Bush/Cheney" stickers thinking everything is a-okay and that our government is always right as long as it's Republican. (Keep in mind I live in Florida, a predominantly Republican state, many of them that I have met in school and work are just totally sheep about a good deal of issue and act like they have a system crash if I bring up "left" and "right" ideologies together. Don't get me wrong, I get the same reaction from Democrats about other topics as well, not just firearms.) Point being, partyline politics goes nowhere, especially when there's only TWO parties to actually choose from and the others are there for show.


Epyon
 
We ought to be THANKING everybody who didn't support our corrupt, illegal and immoral war.
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The Iraqi schoolgirls should be the next to thank them. Because without this corrupt illegal imoral war they would not be schoolgirls, just property.:barf:

All that is neccesary for evil to triumph is that good men stand by and do nothing.

Sure people have died, but I would bet that more of them have been killed by insurgents than our collateral damage. For those that survive they can look forward to their children getting educated in schools we built, drinking clean water from wells we dug and voting in a government that would never have been possible previously. I would further bet that more people were killed by Sadam than by this war. The immoral thing is standing by while an entire nation suffers when you have the power to change things.

Furthermore, if the war was illegal, the UN would be pushing sanctions. The only ones who are not following the LOAC are the terrorists.

So before you start spouting the liberal defeatist party propaganda, try thinking with your own mind about the positive effects.
 
I'm not saying finishing the job in Iraq was bad. I'm saying that nearly everything else about it was wrong, even the way we sold the Kurds AND the anti-Saddam resistance out at the end of the last one. If we really were doing the "it's for the oppressed people" shindig, we'd have set the Kurds -- the one ethnic group that genuinely loves us even though we've screwed them over again and again much like we've been doing to the GOOD GUYS since Tripoli -- up with their own country, but instead the US is appeasing genocidal nations like Turkey who would excrete masonry if that actually happened. Hell, the Kurds are the only ones competant when it comes to being trained, the Iraqi soldiers are driving our guys crazy when we try to train them, they're just not capable of anything but being rabble and they compound it by not giving a crap.

Iraq as it exists was an arbitrary british creation of lines drawn on a map and if we keep trying to make it exist as a united country, we're going to keep running into the same crap and come out at the end with a radical muslim controlled nation that is even more of a threat before, sort of like how we messed up Iran.

I'm amazed that it is holding together at all, and hey, some hospitals got painted and some schools got opened in the 'green zone' where billion dollar fortress-complexes are being set up, so obviously it is no longer a dangerous chaotic place anymore.

Of course I'm going to royally tick off the ones who will be arriving shortly to chastise me for "lack of resolve", "no support for the troops", "treason", "providing aid and comfort to the enemy by publicly casting doubt on our administration's plans", and my favorite "you're a leftist / liberal / wimp / America hater."

Our freedom does not create terrorists. Properly fighting terrorists does not create terrorists. Bad foreign policy creates situations that create terrorists. I'm not talking about how we have to stop supporting Israel or any of that hogwash, although a little more accountability on their part wouldn't hurt. We do things like screw over the Kurds and turn Iran into the fascist state that it became (our fault!) and the outcome is a Middle East that is that much less friendly, that much less good. Instead we get decisions that serve shortsighted purposes and end up with a net loss when it comes to our wellbeing and global stability. Does anyone get where I'm going with this? I'd expound on it but I feel like stopping now.

Read Lydia Bailey by Kenneth Roberts.
 
The immoral thing is standing by while an entire nation suffers when you have the power to change things.
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Then surely you must support our upcoming invasion of half the nations of Africa at the same cost of the Iraq War, right?
 
Ah, now I remember why I stopped frequenting this place for a week or so: the flippant attitude of some people.

To answer your question(?), you have to start somwhere. Just becasue the problem is large you chose to do nothing? Boy am I glad the founding fathers didn't have your defeatist mindset. Of course something should be done for all peoples living under tyranny. In most cases our strategy(which I will admit has many flaws) in Iraq will not work. We need a more skilled diplomatic team that can rebuild our standing in the world community and enlist their help. In some cases, the military will have to be called upon.
 
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